Sony Xperia 1 II
- joe nodden
- jpa
- 04 Jun 2020
saved, 03 Jun 2020>>tell us about 1/1.7" sensors with 10ms full readout... moreMy point is that only up to 2018 phones had 12MP sensors and only shot in 4K60. I'm not going to get into 10ms readouts and EIS on top of OIS because all that involves processing power, not the sensor which is the point here. No duh the 865 is gonna allow for tasks that require more power. No duh the 2 year old 845 won't be able to handle it. Turn your brains on and maybe you'll be able to realize that.
Your only valid point is the 1/1.7" sensor, which current phones beat by a landslide. Like the S20 Ultra's 1/1.33" sensor. Even the nearly decade old Nokia 808 Pureview had a 41MP 1/1.2" sensor. Y'know why that hasn't been beat? Because there are more important aspects to a camera than that!
- joe nodden
- jpa
- 04 Jun 2020
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2020I actually said 8k at 70mbps which is heavily compressed. A... moreYou brought up the fact that I think 4K is useless on a tiny 6.5 inch phone. Then used that point of mine to make it seem like it's ironic that I think 8K is useful. Am I wrong? Was that not your intent? Because that's clearly how your reply came across despite the fact that a 65 inch TV has a hundred times the surface area. So 100 times the size, 4 times the resolution. You do the math.
And I already explained how you people's argument about the bitrate is completely terrible. For one, Samsung, apparently the only other company you people know, doesn't shoot at 70mbps on their S20 Ultra. It's 80. You were lucky I didn't call you out on that before, but then you just had to go ahead and bring it up again. Secondly, you people act like Sony's 90mbps is gonna look better when its at 60 fps. That's the equivalent of 45mbps at 30 fps in terms of visual quality. And literally only 36 at 24 fps. Meanwhile Samsung is at over twice that quality while at 4 times the resolution.
But lets ignore Samsung. Because like I said to the other guy, I've never said Samsung made perfect cameras. (Even though even they make better cameras than Sony) I prefer Xiaomi. The Mi 10 Pro shoots at over 100mbps. At 30 fps. So over twice the equivalent of Sony's 30 fps bitrate. While also being 4 times the resolution. (And don't even make me get into the argument about framerates. With films 30 fps is perfectly fine. The frames are made differently, I'm not gonna get into detail about it though unless you want me to destroy your point even more.)
- joe nodden
- jpa
- 04 Jun 2020
Mr Telephone , 03 Jun 2020Try asking that question to the chief engineer (someone who... moreI don't recall ever asking a question in that reply. I only made a statement. Because I don't need to ask a chief engineer about it when I can see the results myself.
- joe nodden
- jpa
- 04 Jun 2020
JetAsura, 04 Jun 2020the point is , thats china it wont last a month95% of the stuff you buy comes from China. China rules the world of manufacturing. Yet you think of their products as bad because on top of the best stuff being manufactured there, the bad stuff is manufactured there as well. You don't look at your good products and realize they were made in China because they haven't broken yet. Besides, what you don't realize is most of your Sony phone was manufactured in China. The phone itself may not have been put together in China, but the parts that could actually potentially fail if they aren't made right are from China. And they work.
Don't argue about something you have no clue whatsoever about. You don't know a single thing about manufacturing.
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- JetAsura
- MuQ
- 04 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Love how the only companies you people acknowledge are Appl... morethe point is , thats china it wont last a month
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- Telephone
- 0fw
- 04 Jun 2020
huh, 03 Jun 2020This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,... moreYour post made me go Huh?
6.5 cm diagonal is really tiny for a smartphone screen. Did you mean inches?
The Xperia 1II screen is 14.6 cm x 6.6 cm. The diagonal is about 16.6 cm. (6.5 inches about 16.5 cm)
Let me know the dimensions of your V30 screen. I'm curious.
Make sure to check your units next time.
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- Anonymous
- pGj
- 04 Jun 2020
huh, 03 Jun 2020This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,... moreYes, it is called aspect ratio. I'm sure people with 4:3 TV's we're saying the same when 16:9 came along.
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- watsa
- mGY
- 03 Jun 2020
XA2, 03 Jun 2020Hi, been using Sony for very long time, had M2 (for ~4 year... morewhats a samsung 50?
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- mGY
- 03 Jun 2020
This phone's screen is 6,5 cm wide. My LG V30 display is 6,8 cm wide.
But: this xperia is 1,5 cm longer then my V30.
Really pathetic
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- virus
- sSV
- 03 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Ah yet another person reusing one of your cards. You people... morewhy are you still here?
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- d4r3z
- Tmd
- 03 Jun 2020
There are cheap phones
There are budget phones
There are midrange phones
There are flagship phones
And than there is sony Xperia 1 mkII
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- saved
- ps8
- 03 Jun 2020
XA2, 03 Jun 2020Hi, been using Sony for very long time, had M2 (for ~4 year... moresony doesn't care much about non-flagship devices.
don't even try to compare flagships to midrange, it's like comparing Maybach to S120.
Flagships tend to get much more attention
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 03 Jun 2020
Very costly and not worth the price to be honest.
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- XA2
- ptn
- 03 Jun 2020
Hi, been using Sony for very long time, had M2 (for ~4 years) very nice and reliable phone. Decided to upgrade to XA2 few years ago, had 2 or 3 minor updates over all this time. Interface is boring. They even do not fix bugs like radio and proximity sensor. Have Samsung 50 as a work phone, updates every month or so. Some cool new features, tons of various customisations and etc. Sorry Sony, you do not care about the clients. Will never buy any Sony phone again. If someone thinks i am bias i worked for Sony myself. Different division, not mobile phones.
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- Mr Telephone
- nx$
- 03 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Oh here's an idea for Sony. Don't use a terrible low res 12... moreTry asking that question to the chief engineer (someone who knows more than you do). He'll tell you in detail the advantages of using less MP and why they choose not to support 8K video recording.
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- Anonymous
- pGj
- 03 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Oh my goodness you people never fail to disappoint me. 8K v... moreI actually said 8k at 70mbps which is heavily compressed. And it was a question if that is what you planned to do with it.
Do not try to twist my words
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- saved
- QUW
- 03 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Yep, 4K60, not 8K30. >>tell us about 1/1.7" sensors with 10ms full readout that came out in 2018 and allowed for electronically and optically stabilized 4k@60 without heavy cropping, 60fps exposure computing and 20fps burst photography.
>>Yep, 4K60, not 8K30.
don't embarrass yourself. only iphones, HTC and a few other brands could do 4k60 without framedrops until 2019, but they were unstabilized, and while the sensors were 1/2.6" not 1/1.7 they still had to crop into sensor since full sensor readout was still too slow, so turn your brains on and maybe then you'll realize that the reason even big cameras like canon, nikon and panasonic crop 4k30 from their sensors because their full sensor readout is too slow, and introducing 10ms full readout on a 1/1,7 sensor is so beefy you can't even imagine.
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- ps8
- 03 Jun 2020
[deleted post]you're just another person who don't understand that in Hollywood they buy cameras that cost over $200,000, while the lenses able to resolve this resolution are worth even more, and that's only 5k and 6k; 8k equipment is only affordable for a few directors in the world...
and Joe thinks that a phone that shoots 8k@80mbps will make him more happy while even 4k screens are unaffordable for most population, let alone 8k displays
I honestly wish you had an 8k screen and watched 4k or 5k from a real camera like Arri, Red or at least Sony A7r3 and then tried the 8k from an LG or Samsung phone to understand what nonsense you're carrying over for the third day. If you saw that 8k from samsung on a 8k screen you'd stop blabbering about it not being a gimmick, lol
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- saved
- ps8
- 03 Jun 2020
joe nodden, 03 Jun 2020Oh here's an idea for Sony. Don't use a terrible low res 12... morei guess you choose to live completely isolated from any information that doesn't fit your brain.
Did you know that Sony makes A7R3 camera with a 40mp sensor, and a A7S2 camera with just a 12mp sensor for better video in low light? A professional camera that costs a few thousand dollars, and only has 12mp? Go and learn about the reasons it's become so popular with videomakers.
You seem to completely not understand any technology at all.
What's good for video isn't necessarily good for photography. And vice versa. I admit, Xiaomi with 108mp sensor produces really sharp images that have ~20mp detail in perpixel sharpness, but that's about it, and only because current 12mp pixels never had more than 6-8mp of detail.
Did you know why FF and Medium Format cameras rarely have resolutions over 40mp? Because nobody can make a lens perfect enough to resolve all these megapixels.
And yea, we've seen this 8k from Samsung. I'm not going to do the work of finding youtube comparisons for you, but i've seen the 8k footage and I responsibly claim that any iPhone with Filmic in 4k can give better detail than samsung in 8k.
This is a complete gimmick; even Sony's 4k will and DOES look better than Samsung's 8k.
I will though say that LG's 8k video looks somewhat decent, but again, remind me please how many people got i9-9999k CPU, 64gb ram and Nvidia 2080 to edit 8k video. These can afford and do buy Red and Alexa cameras that shoot only in 5k because that 5k gives perpixel sharpness, and just because it's a professional tool their 5k will beat samsungs 16k if the latter will ever learn how to do that.