Sony Xperia Pro-I
- notafanboy
- mAY
- 03 Nov 2021
[deleted post]Plenty of people care considering they sell very well in general, so don't make obtuse comments.
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- Lucas N82
- 8j%
- 03 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Man software is hlf the way camera is other half.
Maybe t... moreThats that super Xiaomi Camera? Mmm nice colors.. sooo unreal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khu40CoWJW8
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- Anonymous
- 0p}
- 02 Nov 2021
khellandros66, 02 Nov 2021Lame, Sony, I would have wanted a 1in 16mp with 3.0um pixel... moreDo you think they would order new sensor just for this device when there is one available?
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- khellandros66
- rU3
- 02 Nov 2021
Lame, Sony, I would have wanted a 1in 16mp with 3.0um pixels, especially since your 20mp version of these is 2.4um! 12mp 2.4um means you don't use the full sensor on this at all. Marketing this as a 1in sensor is BS! 1/1.12in GN2 binned at 13.5mp is 2.8um! Plus a small 2x and Ultrawide is a joke, why bother?
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- Anonymous
- 8Kf
- 02 Nov 2021
notafanboy, 02 Nov 2021Keep telling yourself that.James Lavish shows you can do better with mark 2 than 12 pro max.
Ted Forbes chooses xperia over iphone.
Tony Northrup has evidence Pro-i can slaughter 13 pro (obviously just obligation because superior hardware).
None of them wastes times praising overprocessed too much noise reduction crap from samsung.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 02 Nov 2021
Lucas N82, 02 Nov 2021Yeah.. binned pixels and no phase detection AF (no teacking... moreMan software is hlf the way camera is other half.
Maybe the xiaomi software is not that great but it does its job and camea is perfect.
Compared to that Sonny have better software but a little bit worse camera.
Other specs are simmilar apart the fact xiaomi uses MUI and Sony clean adroid experience.
Only little difference is fact sony uses memory slot, 3,5 mm jack and such things nowdays no other flaship have.
But fact is neither is outstamding.
But to come to reality all i want to say paying 1800 for a Sony Xperia Pro 1 which is on par in Xiaomi iMi 11 ultra in most aspects compared to a eqal úphone without SD slot, 3,5 mm jack and a it worse camera software plus MUI skin for 720.
Dunno like you but Sony added just few sweet crumbles over a well made chocolate cake but those sweet crumbless dont cost and dnt have a price difference of 1080 value.
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- WhenNokia3330
- mEk
- 02 Nov 2021
Still some silly comments on here after I gave a pretty balanced review on this soon to be available device. I suggest some who think they know it all go and have a read of it.
A quick comment on sensor size and pixel binning:
A device with a larger sensor and larger pixel size will nearly always win when compared with a device that has a smaller sensor and smaller pixel size (which then has to have pixel binning). Even if the small sensor and small pixel size device has 200MP camera (I'm being sarcastic), the 8MP camera with larger sensor and larger pixel size will beat it.
The only time a larger MP based device will possibly beat it (more detail in my previous review) is for a very specific use like crop factor but we're really only talking when someone is needing to either enlarge an image beyond A2 size for printing or cropping an area at around 5x. Even then, you've still got to have a large sensor and pixel size paired with those huge MPs - otherwise it just won't be a better image result.
I'm not even a Sony fanboy and my approach to all devices are if they are more unassuming and less in the face (from a marketing POV) then I'm probably going to opt at looking further into said device. All the pizazz of Samsung and Apple really puts me off as they are often recycling a lot of their tech. Apple have even brought out devices that were steps back in regard to generations of phones. They do well because of pure marketing, not because their phones are as good as they say. Samsung, in the battle to be top dogs b*llocks have joined the d*ck waving/measuring so for those companies it really boils down to who can make the most convincing advert/pitch.
I don't mind some of the tech that Samsung has but the similarities in tactics to Apple with having literally nothing in the box except the device certainly puts me off. Both of these can put in chargers, cases, earbuds for free (factored into the price) but as I say, it's marketing. Just look at the launch of airpods...which then prompted Apple to bring out wired "holders" for your Airpods...the irony in paying £200/€220/$250 for them to be wireless and then have to pay another £60/€70/$90 to stop from losing them...if out and about, just have wired earbuds or some proper noise cancelling headphones. Yet consumers were "blown away" by the innovative product to keep their Airpods safe.
Sorry, I've gone onto a rant about the gullible state of consumers and the enticing tactics by big companies. Essentially they think we are all magpies and just like anything shiny. Apple appear to have perfected the art of presenting a turd to the masses and somehow polishing it so it looks attractive enough. Well done them for leaving their morals at the door. I wonder when it happens again, if Microsoft will ever bail them out again?
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Anyway, back to the issue of sensor size and pixel size; short story is the more MPs a device has the larger both your sensor and pixels size has to be (in nearly every scenario for the average consumer - yes even most pro photographers too). But because of pixel binning everyone thinks this is fine. You'll notice the difference when put side by side, especially when it comes to missing data and areas of images that have simply been filled in. Pixel binning is good tech but if we're talking about better image quality...then you have to look at the initial hardware spec and my go to rules when deciding is this;
1st - Sensor size
2nd - Pixel size
3rd - Megapixel number
Anything else in the main, falls down to personal preference and ergonomics etc but the above is just based on pure image performance and results that I can achieve without any post production and so on.
PS: Be nice to each other, even if you don't agree. There is not always as much time on this world as we think so have a little perspective when posting something that directly attacks someone. There's room for all of us :)
- notafanboy
- mAY
- 02 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 02 Nov 2021To people with knowledge of photography. This does not in... moreKeep telling yourself that.
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- Lucas N82
- 8j%
- 02 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Definitely is not.
That 1.0-inch type imager is taken... moreYeah.. binned pixels and no phase detection AF (no teacking, no Eye AF, nothing). Hah :)
PS I write about software for video. HDR120fps 4K recording with very good software. Xiaomi looks like toy for me. Go to YT and look how goooood looks night video from Xperia Pro-I. It is new quality.
- SuuperBaka
- q}I
- 02 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Man certain audience or basic consumer like me the differen... more"Man certain audience or basic consumer like me the difference between this Sony and Xiaomi mi 11 ultra is 1080 bucks."
Man how about you come with an actual argument. It's not about the price, it's about what it's for.
"For 1080 bucks anyone can buy proffesional camera for example Cannon EOS R5 and still have enough money for many else."
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1547009-REG/canon_eos_r5_mirrorless_digital.html
Ya bro for sure. You can totally get an EOS R5 for $1080, and still have enough money to buy other things.
Completely delusional
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- AnonD-1016694
- tZ4
- 02 Nov 2021
I think I like Sony now because of a lot of changes I've seen.
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- factcat
- D6e
- 02 Nov 2021
kokoshishiaua, 02 Nov 2021I found your comments on Xperia 10 III pages, don't kn... moreI agree with you, I also search his posts, seem a like china's smartphone water army, I think he never use Sony, Samsung, Apple smartphone but unreasonable judge. Internet water army are disgusting...
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- Anonymous
- 8Kf
- 02 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Educated you funny.
No matter where you look every proffe... moreHow can you judge when you do not understand about it?
Technical evaluation does not include personal preference.
Do not act like youtubers and come to say "detail in the shadows".
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- kokoshishiaua
- 8mq
- 02 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Educated you funny.
No matter where you look every proffe... moreI found your comments on Xperia 10 III pages, don't know why, but you are trying very hard to damage reputation of smartphone maker who respects good traditions in smartphone making and simultaneously doing a lot of research for development.
I don't know/don't care technical details of photography but know enough that your declarations are very controversial and not proved as obvious.
Disgusting...
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 02 Nov 2021
Lucas N82, 02 Nov 2021Mi 11 Ultra software for camera looks like toy versus Xperi... moreDefinitely is not.
That 1.0-inch type imager is taken straight off the company's very popular RX100 VII compact camera, but it has been 'optimized for a smartphone'. What that means is that the Xperia Pro-I uses a big chunk of that sensor (but not all of it) to produce 12MP images with a 2.4µm pixel pitch - that's some 20% larger than the iPhone 13 Pro Max' pixels and about the same size as those from the Galaxy S21 Ultra's main camera, after binning. So despite not using the full 1.0-inch sensor area, the Xperia Pro-I does end up with a huge sensor only really bested by the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra and its 2.8µm binned pixels.
Source here: https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_proi_brings_10inch_sensor_with_variable_f_2040_aperture_for_1800-news-51572.php
It only proves Mi 11 ultra is way better.
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- Lucas N82
- 8j%
- 02 Nov 2021
AnonD-731363, 02 Nov 2021Educated you funny.
No matter where you look every proffe... moreMi 11 Ultra software for camera looks like toy versus Xperia Pro-I. Please be serious. :)
Night video from Pro-I and bokeh looks like real camera.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 02 Nov 2021
anon, 01 Nov 2021lol u rly have no idea what ur talking about... this is a c... moreEducated you funny.
No matter where you look every proffesional will tell you the Mi 11 ultra is the best camea phone money can buy then is P50 pro and Honor magic 3 pro plus.
I can compare because i am able to prove what i am saying and you can google it too.
That c called compatition like this Sony ro Apple is basicaly no competition because no matter how much thy will try they will never be before Huawei and top flagship from Xiaomi in camera capabilities.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 02 Nov 2021
SuuperBaka, 01 Nov 2021A phone is targeted towards a certain target audience, not ... moreMan certain audience or basic consumer like me the difference between this Sony and Xiaomi mi 11 ultra is 1080 bucks.
For 1080 bucks anyone can buy proffesional camera for example Cannon EOS R5 and still have enough money for many else.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 02 Nov 2021
Alkemia, 31 Oct 2021Well, this isn't a phone with a good camera. It's... moreMan even this site said its simmilar and comparable.
Eevn a Hinor magic 3 pro plus is or could be comparable.
Huawei P50 pro too.
And wheen comes to proffesional cameras the best money can actualy buy is Cannon EOS R5cwhuch normaly cost around 5000 and on ebay and amazon starts from 3049 bucks.
But at rhynchule.top you can get one for 40 bucks plus 20 delivery cost to your country.
Thats 60 total for camera worth 5000 bucks anywhere else.