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Shui8, 20 Jan 2020Look at this. - https://m.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_11_pro... moreI actually bought it, and sold it few days later as i was very disappointed, especially so that it has no volume button, to add something that i think irritates me even more, is the extremely curved screen...is useless
i got myself a Xiaomi mi Note 10, which as a phone is a failure, except that it does some good pictures....if there is enough light.

Now back to the topic, even gsm arena posted stuff about that...fancy thing you mentioned https://www.gsmarena.com/quad_bayer_sensors_explained-news-37459.php

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"So, really these 48MP Quad Bayer sensors can’t offer much more detail than a 12MP sensor. Sensor and phone makers alike will tell you that smarter demosaicing algorithms can capture more detail, but our experience is that the gain is small – if there’s a gain to be had at all."

like i said, this pretty much means, the AI assume things, let's say, 75% of the pixels that were put there bcoz of an algorithm fit to the picture, that is still a quite good ratio.
And i can tell you if all pictures had at least 75% or more , even a DSLR camera could not beat this phone.
Well, i don't really need to read this, why would i need it if i understand how it works?
Another example is up-scaling videos - these days common, and they do a similar trick, they add noise and then filter it, by coincidence the noise overlaps with same colored pixels/group of pixels making them more 'sharp' ; the re result is a smooth video that may be lacking some details but overall quality is better.

Of course, what mentioned is post processing of the picture, things like colors(saturation), contrast, levels, like i said, most of it is used for videos, those are but filters,
but adding pixels(noise) based on an algorithm and then de-noise it , that is no filter.
And if you ask yourself how an AI can assume something, how do you think face recognition works? In this case the 3D version of face recognition has the answer...you can google it, my replay is too long anyway.

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    • 20 Jan 2020

    krissy, 19 Jan 2020:) you actually linked and mentioned what i said, but you s... moreLook at this.
    - https://m.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_11_pro_max-review-1991p6.php

    Even the reviewer said Iphone 11 produce oversharpen photos. The 'hair' on brush u mention just a ringing halo around its edges caused by excessive artificial sharpness added, which is actually an artifact.

    By your definition on pixel-binned image, clearly you have no idea how Quad Bayer sensor works. Go study. And i dont have any idea how you suggest AI works on object shaping lol. All it does are just boost some color vibrancy, contrast, DR & WB mood base on the scene taken. Even if AI turned off, it still produce superior photos.

    Finally, when u said about differentiate on sensor size, clearly Huawei takes the advantage of it since P20 Pro, Samsung just catching up this year while Pixel & Iphone still sticking with small sensor. Even in previous P9 & P10 which using small sensor, it still superior than any Iphone on that time.

    And I own Leica Q & Fujifilm X-E3. The closest details quality that identical on a smartphone no doubt are Mate 30. Do you own any to begin with?

      Shui8, 19 Jan 2020What do you mean? A normal Autofocus at work? Iphone (start... more:) you actually linked and mentioned what i said, but you still don't seem to understand the idea, that google phone has just 16MP sensor, mate30pro has 40MP, now does the pic from google phone looks 2 times worse? No, it doesn't! Need to mention some pics have been resized to 10MP for the comparison, if that was the case with Mate30pro i can't tell, but the phone does pics @40MP, it can do that, and if you won't display it on a 4K screen but on some 1080p, you will be able to tell difference only if you fully enlarge the pics;

      as a side note the 'pixel-binned' method is also used by software like paint or photoshop to resize pictures, other software uses it to encode videos, it just grabs the closest pixels...so this is nothing new,
      and if you take a closer look and compare the pics from the link, you notice that mate30pro pic is smooth, on the iphone you clearly recon brush hair, while on mate30pro it almost looks like an AI assumed some of the shapes :) yes it did.

      Finally, the trick is not using a sensor that is as big as the phone to achieve pics with good quality until you enlarge them, the trick is, getting good pics at full resolution of the sensor and still being able to enlarge it without losing too much of the details - for that a bigger lens is necessary,
      and that is the reason google or iphone have this quality of the pics, bcoz with same sized lens using a smaller sensor makes more sense :) bigger lens = more light on the sensor = better pic. at the same time you need more distance from the sensor, and as you guessed by now, on a 8mm thick phone it's the limit. So a thin phone can not have a big sensor bcoz it makes no sense.

      Well , let me rephrase it that way, would huawei use 16MP camera instead of 40MP it couldn't beat google, it could at best get same quality.

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        • 19 Jan 2020

        krissy, 18 Jan 2020while i agree, i have to mention that it won't always do th... moreWhat do you mean? A normal Autofocus at work? Iphone (starting 11 series only) & Pixel does wonder as well, but not as good as Mate 30 does. Do u realize Mate 30 after pixel-binned captured in 10mp, which is less pixel than both Iphone & Pixel, still did a better job?

        Take a look at this:-
        https://m.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=5&idPhone1=9885&idPhone2=9846&idPhone3=9895

        All i see are the dowside of Iphone are oversharpening, while Pixel higher noise even at base ISO level. Thats are the limitation of using smaller sensor, Mate 30 clean look with details being retained does an amazing job as it uses bigger camera sensor & big pixel size.

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          • 18 Jan 2020

          Py, 06 Jan 2020Hi, I have been thinking to purchase Mate 30 Pro. Intereste... moreHow does it working so far, any problems with app like WhatsApp, did WhatsApp got updated, and u get android update?

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            • 18 Jan 2020

            AwksAwks, 02 Jan 2020It's running android. Why can't you .. just install it??? Just wondering, will the android update available, if we installed, gms, because, gms have version for every android. Like for android 9 and 10. So when upgrade android, will the android update, because we already install gms, tht was prevent by huawei, and if it update, will the android app like, what's app and etc, work fine with new android version.??

              Shui8, 18 Jan 2020Not with Mate 30 Pro & other device using Kirin 990. It... morewhile i agree, i have to mention that it won't always do the best job, but it won't be over sharpening, it will be bad focus and related color problems since when it will focus on something that is not desired, it will try to achieve best colors for that focused thing... well not a failure, how can a phone know what i want to be in focus? the only way to make sure it does what i want is to tap on the screen and let it focus exactly where i tap;

              and it does not make best pictures of all devices out there, iphone and google pixel seem to catch up quickly, not to mention that pixel has far less pixels in its main camera, yet the picture quality is very good, just imagine what happens when they master a 48MP sensor. Pretty much google does what huawei did, but on a greater level, altho the battery optimisation is something no one can beat huawei at, at this moment.

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                • 18 Jan 2020

                Anonymous, 17 Jan 2020See all details in photos doesn’t means it’s a good camera ... moreNot with Mate 30 Pro & other device using Kirin 990. Its ISP has the most details quality without oversharpening & well controlled noise, the best on a smartphone. You better check your sources.

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                  • 17 Jan 2020

                  Commenter, 09 Jan 2020"Huawei Mate 30 Pro" is the BEST CAMERA phone YES. I compar... moreSee all details in photos doesn’t means it’s a good camera some time it’s just over sharpening same as P30 pro photos.

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                    • 17 Jan 2020

                    murysusanto, 04 Dec 2019I am so sorry, this time i had to surrender, despite all th... morewhy do u have 2 change or sell your phone when
                    u can buy a secondary cheap but capable phone

                    u can afford to buy such an expensive phone
                    surely u can buy another cheaper daily driver

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                      • 17 Jan 2020

                      Anonymous, 22 Nov 2019Mate 30 pro 50 . 50 % cheaper. Without Google Pl... moreit is so true that phones bought in china with
                      out gms are around 50% even more cheaper
                      ranges from 30 up to 50% of the base prices

                      i used to ignore several comments from those who
                      stated so but got curious n calculated it for myself
                      did the checkings an calculated d prices n it is true

                      anyways for those who want to have google on their
                      phones can go buy a secondary phone knowing that
                      phones are so cheap now or just use your old phone

                        VimalSadhwani, 10 Jan 2020P30 is the better option. Used both mate 30 pro and p30 pro... moreIt's the best option because of Google Mobile Services. For me, I'm more than happy NOT to have that on my phone. Hence, why I prefer Mate 30 over the P30.

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                          VimalSadhwani, 10 Jan 2020P30 is the better option. Used both mate 30 pro and p30 pro... moreWhy you sold mate 30 pro. What are main things you disliked?

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                            • 11 Jan 2020

                            Huawei you have really done it all. You have done and introduced so many things to the world in the world of smartphones.

                            Now what I want you to do is A PROJECTOR FIXED IN YOUR SMARTPHONE. I believe you you that you can do it. I know this will be expensive but it will be worth it. Please do the research now.. Great Huawei do it for us.

                              604gem, 20 Nov 2019Should I buy the Mate 30 Pro, Mate 30, or the P30 Pro?P30 is the better option. Used both mate 30 pro and p30 pro. P30 is the best option i guess. I sold my mate 30 pro just after a week

                                Py, 06 Jan 2020Hi, I have been thinking to purchase Mate 30 Pro. Intereste... moreMost of the banking apps are not supported. The big reason i sold mine in first week.

                                  sayabosanhidup, 10 Jan 2020n im going to buy this phone one fine day just like i did ... moreyou can order the phone with preinstalled google play store, GPay won't work tho, besides, you can make browser shortcuts for social media like facebook, youtube etc, works like a charm and does not require google play, as well on youtube you can choose the 4K video quality instead of the 1080p limit for the app....but the crappy screen and the missing volume button is a huge fail, hope P40Pro will have normal flat screen and volume buttons :|

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                                    • 10 Jan 2020

                                    n im going to buy this phone one fine
                                    day just like i did with zte nubia z17s

                                    it does not have google but they got everything as
                                    alternatives for d different kinds of social medias

                                    anyways for those who want to have google on their
                                    phones can go buy a secondary phone knowing that
                                    phones are so cheap now or just use your old phone

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                                      • 09 Jan 2020

                                      "Huawei Mate 30 Pro" is the BEST CAMERA phone YES. I compared all phone cameras and Huawei Mate 30 Pro beated all of them, even against Iphone 11 pros and Galaxy Note 10. with Mate 30 Pro Camera you can see all small details in a photo.

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                                        Chedsabahmalaysia, 27 Dec 2019Very correct sir..its easy.. i bought this phone in Malaysi... moreHi, I have been thinking to purchase Mate 30 Pro. Interested to know whether you encounter problems with banking or other apps other than Google ??

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