Antennagate ain't over, Samsung and Motorola respond, too
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- 21 Jul 2010
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010We never said that a camera flash isn't important on a ipho... moreyou have way too much time in your hand to waste...
you're replying to pretty much half the people that are commenting here...apple needs blindfolded fans like you to run the company, pretty sure they'll hire you if you apply, or no wait may be already work for apple anyways...oh well, have fun replying to thousands of more comments including mine...oh almost forgot, get a damn life! :)
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Apple...always blaming others for it's own problems!! It makes me laugh.
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- 21 Jul 2010
aaptk, 20 Jul 2010quote from gsmarena:
Okay, let’s explain how this works ... moreAnd who's saying that not all of us iphone4 users have this attenuation issue when that black strip is touched? Lol. It is there, and all iphone4 users will lose bars the moment we touch that strip. But that is not the point that I am trying to relay. Iphone users have been buying cases for their iphones even from the very 1st iphone released. Iphone4 is no different, and that is why iphone4 users have been doing just fine. And those who chose not to get a case (a few), simply avoids that small black strip, and it's not hard to avoid at all.
Now. I am not saying that this is totally ok. All I am saying is, it is not that bad like the way the media and the haters have exaggerated it to be. And, this is Apple's first attempt to innovate antenna design. And for their first try, this issue is not that bad, and users can work around it easily with a case. It will only get better in the future. And unfortunately for the others, they cannot be allowes to have external antennas due to their harsh criticisms towards the iphone4 :)
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Anonymous, 21 Jul 2010Again you are wrong. Here's a non at&t nokia device lo... morewas a call dropped in that video? no
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- 21 Jul 2010
aaptk, 20 Jul 2010e71x only has this issue when branded with at&t!
other... moreAgain you are wrong. Here's a non at&t nokia device losing bars. And it's not even being held the wrong way. Just held upside down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1gHDa7-X0&feature=youtube_gdata
Want me to try again? I can give you more videos :)
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Anonymous, 21 Jul 2010Come on dude. Any at&t phones have experienced dr... moredropped calls as a result of a bad carrier is another thing
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- 21 Jul 2010
aaptk, 20 Jul 2010show me a modern phone dropping calls when held normally an... moreCome on dude. Any at&t phones have experienced dropped calls regardless how you hold the phone. Your request for us to provide you other phones that drops a call is silly. Just go search it on the web. Type "dropped calls" in the search box of your web browser and you'll see all sorts of phones that has dropped calls.
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- 21 Jul 2010
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010>>>> Only Apple dared to risk it so they can IN... moreOh so now you're starting to see the light into what Apple is trying to achieve, so now you say that it's nokia who started the external antenna, lol. Ok then. Name me which nokia phone has the external antenna wrapped around its body like how it is with the iphone4. Nice try amigo.
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- 21 Jul 2010
xman, 20 Jul 2010proove what. Most experienced phone makers manage the comp... moreStop exaggerating. Iphone4 users are making and receiving calls just fine. How many times do we iphone4 users have tell you non-iphone4 users that?
There are a lot of benefits having the antenna externally, and it's worth the risk that Apple has taken. The iphone4 indeed has better reception and better call quality than previous iphones. Plus, with the antenna part of the outside hardware, they're able to increase battery size, provide more internal hardware space for other features, and produces the slimmest smartphone in the world. It's worth it, and eventhough it's not perfect, it can only get better and better. And unfortunately for the others, they better not adopt this antenna approach by Apple because it would make them look bad after all the bad criticisms they've been throwing at Apple. Everyone will be stuck making room for antennas internally while Apple will be enjoying all the internal hardware space and slim design and better reception :)
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- 20 Jul 2010
Anonymous., 20 Jul 2010>>>>LOL, so the lack of Flash LED that all the ... moreWe never said that a camera flash isn't important on a iphone. Any extra feature is always nice to have. We were happy with the iphone's prior cameras not having flash, and we're even happier now that it has flash. It's an improvement. I don't think Apple will release the next iphone with no flash. It doesn't make sense. Why would samsung put a flash on a HIGH END phone for last year, and not put flash for this year? You are wrong in saying that cameras with flash are useless in darkness. The iphone4's flash takes good photos in total darkness. Stop making excuses for your samsung device. Read iphone4 reviews. There should be enough photo samples taken in total darkness for you to look at.
The iphone4's retina display edges out samsung's samoled displays almost in all aspects. The only thing that the samoled display is better is on deep blacks. And why would LG take credit for the iphone4's display? Use your common sense. If LG put together all the elements for the iphone4's display, don't you think they should be the one introducing the retina display on their phones before the iphone?
What's wrong with buying technology? Apple is primarily a software company, not hardware. And they're giving business to samsung, lg and other manufacturers, how can that be bad? So what do you think of google's android devices? Their hardware is htc. So they're ok to use others, but Apple is not?
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Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010I actually thought the same thing. I was wondering wh... morequote from gsmarena:
Okay, let’s explain how this works – when it’s a design issue, it means that EVERY user will have it. Of course those lucky enough to live in an area with very strong signal will be less affected by it, but that’s a whole different story.
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Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010You said that nokia phones NEVER drops calls. You are wron... moree71x only has this issue when branded with at&t!
other e71 phones haven't got such problems
try again
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fu$1, 20 Jul 2010Well i never thought network reception were issues in moder... moreI actually thought the same thing. I was wondering what this iphone4 reception issue is all about when I can make and receive calls with my iphone4 just fine, and so did all other iphone4 users. So who made a big deal of this attenuation issue then? IT'S THE MEDIA & NON-IPHONE USERS who hate the iphone.
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fu$1, 20 Jul 2010Up to now 0% of nokia users have complained about dropped c... moreHere's a video showing a nokia device death grip.
N97 death grip video
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-reviews-3275p2.php
You said that Apple didn't show a video of a nokia device dropping bars when held the wrong way. Your reasoning is exactly the reason why Apple showed other phones displaying degraded signals when held the wrong way. So thank you. But I'm sure the moment Apple shows a video of a nokia device losing bars like the link I've provided above, you will complain why Apple is involving others, right? :)
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- 20 Jul 2010
xxxxxx , 20 Jul 2010droping bars & droping calls are two different things?
... moreYou said that nokia phones NEVER drops calls. You are wrong. They do. Here's a link. I can give you more if you like :)
http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/Nokia/E71x-dopping-calls/m-p/1789790
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Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010Oh, so now you're saying Apple invented dropped calls. S... moreshow me a modern phone dropping calls when held normally and ill "take off the spectacles of bias my friend and come back to the real world"
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- 20 Jul 2010
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010In a way I'm glad that rim, nokia, htc, samsung, and motoro... more>>>> Only Apple dared to risk it so they can INNOVATE. As a first attempt on this external antenna design, I say they did pretty well. When they figure out a way to make this work without a case and totally ELIMINATE A WEAK SPOT that all phones have right now, let's see what the others will do :)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but external antenna connected to the body is an area pioneered by Nokia way back and they have already moved on to better designs. In fact Nokia is a huge innovator in antenna design and they have a lot of patents. Apple cannot make a good design without stepping on Nokia's and Motorola's patents and I think the current debacle is a result of the same.
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- 20 Jul 2010
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010Prove it.
Where are some numbers.proove what. Most experienced phone makers manage the compromise that is antenna design. Signal levels and bandwidth are continually varying depending upon; 1) orientation of device relative to cell towers 2) infrastructure between cell towers and device 3) electrical properties of anything that is contacting the antennas
This compromise is made by experienced manufactures such that calls are not dropped. Each manufacture has there own standards. external antenna have been avoided probably because they
contact with conducting materials change the antenna frequency response. This makes it quite difficult to design a system that is robust and doesn't drop calls.
I personally care about reception as my home is relatively old with stucko exterior walls. these stucko walls have a thick gage wire mesh in them doing a remakable good job at blocking radio waves (faraday cage). thus I require a phone with exceptional reception. In my experience nokia products (6131,6500 6700C,6600 Slide,6303,7510, 6630) do better than other manufactures (Apple 3G, HTC advantage 7500, LG BL40, Sharp GX30, SE 39, SE 39, SE 810, samsung M7500). Thus I suggest to you, that rigorous tests of reception would not improve apples press.
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- 20 Jul 2010
>>>>LOL, so the lack of Flash LED that all the haters were laughing about on the iphone suddenly "isn't needed" on the Galaxy? Rubbish. The Nokia N86 takes photos in a low light, but it's sensor still needed dual flash. No mobile sensor can do without flash in low light.
So you are saying that while iPhone fanboi's defended iPhone not having flash, its now become an important feature because guess why iPhone has it now. For the record, Apple didn't have flash in any of its phones till now, its a new feature for them. Samsung have hand flash in their phones since 2003. If they decided to exclude it in this particular phone there must be a valid reason for that. Cameras in phones are useless in perfect darkness despite having flash. The main utility of flash in such phones is as a flash light. In low light conditions Galaxy S can take decent enough shots without flash. This is rumored to be reason for not including flash. If you care to check on the internet, there are forum threads regarding this.
>>>>Galaxy - screen inferior and "fools" the eyes into thinking it's better than it really is. Look closely at the definition on the iphone 4's screen. It's clearly superior and easy on the eye. It's the best AMOLED screen there is. And that's about it.
Both S-AMOLED and Retina display have different advantages and roughly on par. Retina Display has better text and S-AMOLED has better colors, contrast, response times and lower power consumption. The differences under a microscope don't matter for a every day user. Also the credit for Retina display goes to LG and not Apple.
>>>> As for the Gyroscope, Apple is once again leading the way in making good use of existing technology and Samsung have only added it to their Captivate variant at a late stage! Copycats :p
And apple does nothing more than buy technology. Its not as if they innovate either. Multi-Touch was bought from a Swedish company that went bankrupt, Retina display is developed by LG and even Apple A4 has origins in technology developed by Intrinsity and Samsung. Even after buying out Intrinsity, its samsung who manufactures their A4 chips.
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- 20 Jul 2010
Anonymous, 20 Jul 2010Oh, so now you're saying Apple invented dropped calls. S... moreWell i never thought network reception were issues in modern advanced smartphones untill the iphone 4 was released, i never heard about death spot/touch or antennagate untill iphone 4 came out. True innovation by apple you can block those annoying incoming calls by just gripping your phone.