Samsung announces two new ISOCELL sensors

30 October 2018
The new sensors are 48MP and 32MP with Tetracell technology.

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EskeRahn, 31 Oct 2018I have the same thoughts, on the hand sizes. And yes curva... moreWell, but my idea is based on using the mouse support in android.
The keypad of the BlackBerry Keyone and keytwo (not le) can work as touchpads. But for it to fully work, there would have to be a few dedicated buttons, so while only using one hand, one can still perform tasks, that on a typycal modern touchpad, requires gestures, or holding down when dragging (can't be done because it uses the keyboard keys), gestures aren't possible since only the thumb would be touching the area.
For quick switching, between keyboard and touchpad mode, I would like to see that key/touch area that has to be held, for touchpad operation, but that switches back to keyboard mode as soon as it is released (and probably require a two step activation, so the grip doesn't have to bee that different when using the keyboard compared to the touchpad function).

With the right hardware I think it would work.
And controlling devices with a touchpad, leads to less accidental presses. (I have a friend that often accidentally likes things on facebook, while just scrolling, on the screen, this issue is minimal on computers).
One can also hit links more correctly on sites, where links sits close.
There is after all a reason that we have pointer devices on many screens, as our fingers themselves are quite big.

Scroll is supported, as far as I know.
Drag, like in holding down the left key is supported (but could not be done on the keyboard touch layer as, so it would requite a function key).
Zoom might not be supported as such, but that is doable in a manufacture skin.
The shortcut keys, might also have to be implemented in the manufacture skin.

For tablets a touch sensitive ball, working like a trackball could work (I've had that idea for well over a decade, of using touch enabled trackballs, for mobile devices, that don't have to move, with the right surface it would feel like they were, anyhow). Adding the function keys on the back.
It would not be as much for one handed operation as it would be for for accurate control.
That would of course be useful on windows as well as android and chrome OS.


As for folding displays, it would require a design decision that I don't think they will take, as the in the unfolded mode, the display would end up very squarish, thus not changing the diagonal size enough to make it seem impressive. Also squarish tablets aren't the best for media consumption as the usable area for 16:9 videos won't increase by any significant number, or might actually decrease, and media consumption will be the focus, not surfing the desktop adopted web, or doing productive or creative work.
So when folded if the screen is folded on the outside, or if the outside is equipped with a screen, expect it to be squarish (or with huge bezels if the outer screen has the typical format), and that would translate to a quite small interface, making it sub optimal for one hand operation, or the devices would be two hand sized even folded.


I do think that some system using a pointer device is probably our best bet for getting one hand operateable phones.
(it could also be done using a touch area without keyboard, relying on using an onscreen keyboard, or an additional touch display, probably with "3D" touch support).



But it would be nice to see that camera centric phone, that has the added thickness, using anatomic curvation, to fit the biggest possible sensor in there, and then the display can't be as big as they typically are, as that would require making the device much thinner... But there will always be a compromise between thickness and big enough display, to be accepted. To get the display down to one hand operation size in that compromise, I think the factor that might force them do to that, would rather be that it would be necessary to be able to fit the sensor(s) and the optic(s), than it coming from the demand on the market for one hand operateable smartphones.
Someone taking on the RX100 in a mobile, perhaps. But I do think that series, hasn't developed technically as much as mobile sensors and optics and software... as well as the multi sensor development in the smartphone industry.. if feels like the gap is getting smaller and smaller, so the effort might not be worth it given the compromises necessary.
(The RX100, could be made ever so slightly thinner, due to it using LCD display instead of OLED and hinge-system, that would not be on a smartphone version of it)

    Anonymouse 2, 31 Oct 2018Sony makes great mobile sensors , but the thing about their... moreS9+ VS XZ2 camera comparison.
    Refer duration:
    - 1:25 S9+ has artificial highlights , XZ2 has natural high quality image.
    - 1:42 S9+ has highlighter weird green on all the foliage, XZ2 has natural green of foliage.
    - 1:42 S9+ has ultramarine sky colors, XZ2 has natural sky colors.
    - 2:03 S9+ has the ultramarine sky and highligher greens foliage, it is same as comic animated.
    Conclusion you are fascinated to animate image.

    Source:
    https://youtu.be/p9n4tI6S5Hg

    S7 is sluggish on performance after update.

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      EskeRahn, 30 Oct 2018Unfortunately things are not that easy. You are talking th... moreEskeRahn, Thank you for your infos (you seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff)
      However, it is really sad to know that the entire smartphone industry are boldly lying about their camera specs
      That larger isocell GM1 sensor should be advertised as a 1/3.12" based on simple calculations, yet they will advertise as a larger one (what a shame).

        Anonymous, 31 Oct 2018They always debbie similar image sensors. And again. That... moreActually first camera phone was Sharp J-SH04. IF by Samsung you refer their V 200, it was more like phone with camera, not a camera phone.

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          • 31 Oct 2018

          I thought Isocell was partnered with Fujifilm?

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            • Anonymous
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            • 31 Oct 2018

            Shanti Dope, 31 Oct 2018Chipset fabrication process is different. The same company ... moreThey always debbie similar image sensors.
            And again. That just would mean Sony copied Samsung by using a camera.

            And if it's just strictly a copy... how on earth would it be ready for release at the same time as the other?

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              • 31 Oct 2018

              When they release them huawei will have a 100 Mpix camera made by Leica.
              And for Nokia they will bring Carl Zeis 200 Mpix optics.

                Sonu4678, 30 Oct 2018What do you mean by copied? Huawei released Kirin with 7nm... moreChipset fabrication process is different. The same company would manufacture 7nm chipsets for Huawei, Apple, and Qualcomm.
                No one copied Huawei, because we all know that even before the Kirin 980 becomes a thing, Qualcomm already has their plan of building their next flagship SoC on TSMC's 7nm process.

                This case, however, can be considered as 'copying' partially. Samsung didn't even have any major plans of manufacturing an image sensor like these two up until Sony has released one, which indicates that they've got the idea from them (even the structure is similar, wow). And I'd love to be corrected on that part by showing me a proof that they've had such an idea before Sony even thought of it.
                But with your logic, you might as well say that Samsung already had some plans of sticking a memory inside the camera sensor before Sony created the IMX400 sensor.

                  Anonymous, 31 Oct 20181/2.55" ( Pixel 3, iPhone Xs, S9, U12, Nex S, Mi8 etc) =... moreYes, and if you converted first or last column to same units you would find that the real size is roughly 2/3 of the advertised diameter as posted longer down here - see the lengthy story here https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=659

                    Anonymouse 2, 31 Oct 2018Sony makes great mobile sensors , but the thing about their... morePerhaps they don't want to outshine their customers?

                    Selling their sensors to others whilst making the most out of them themselves could potentially force their customers to look for sensors from competitors.

                    But by all means, they should do better. Perhaps they also fear cannibalizing their point and shoot cameras.

                      Things keep getting better

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                        • Anonymous
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                        Marco M, 30 Oct 2018Not sure what you're aiming for here, but sure - just about... moreThe Huawei one is definitely not the best. It might score high because the resolution but results are no where near what they should be.
                        I would agree with your initial claim but somehow Huawei managed slightly prove us wrong with very underwhelming results given the sensor size, resolution, lens set up, and newer soc and software.

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                          SpiritWolf, 30 Oct 2018Nokia 808 has 41MP 1/1.2" CMOS sensor and pixel size is 1.4... moreUnfortunately so.
                          I wish the 808 could be combined with the note 9's lenses and software. Except keep the natural colors and processing of the 808 as well.

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                            • Anonymous
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                            Anonymous, 31 Oct 2018 The thing is. Pocket cameras still give good money t... moreYou clearly have no idea aly the technologies. Just mouthing off about how superior you think Sony is.
                            And at that rate Sony is copying Samsung by using a camera on a phone

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                              Anonymous, 31 Oct 2018I am talking about camera sensors. What CPU has to do he... moreSony makes great mobile sensors , but the thing about their own phones , they don't know how to utilize it efficiently , resulting in less than satisfactory performance. I have a XZ2 and an older Galaxy S7 to test , and I prefer the camera on the S7 , faster focusing , almost instantaneous photo taking , recording videos won't feel sluggish as on the XZ2.

                                Anonymous, 31 Oct 2018I am talking about camera sensors. What CPU has to do he... moreThat was an analogy to make you better understand my point.
                                You can not categorize these things as plagiarism.
                                Sony is a market leader no doubt about that.
                                The technology and other processes both brands are using are not identical, that's why it's not a patent infringement. If there was anything like that, Samsung would be paying for it. Both of these brands are non-Chinese, so intellectual property would be better maintained in their respective countries.

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                                  A smart Shooter, 30 Oct 2018I have purchase a lot of Korea products but none of them du... moreYou buy fake knockoff korean products.
                                  Original products is very very good. Heehee

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                                    • Anonymous
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                                    The thing is.

                                    Pocket cameras still give good money to camera companies. For example the great Sony RX100 series, it has 1" 3 layers sensor.
                                    Sony is the major provider of sensors, even Nikon uses.

                                    No way they will allow a smartphone maker to have sensors of this size. Phones have much more processing power than cameras, with same sensor they could easily outperform these compact cameras.

                                    Thus would kill the pocket cameras, no matter their advantage of variables focal length and aperture.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 31 Oct 2018

                                      1/2.55" ( Pixel 3, iPhone Xs, S9, U12, Nex S, Mi8 etc) = 7.02 mm diagonal.

                                      1/2.3" ( XZ Premium, XZ3) = 7.73 mm diagonal

                                      1/2.3" ( Pixel 1, Nexus 6p, HTC 10) = 7.81 mm diagonal

                                      1/2.3" ( Z5, X Performance, XA2) = 7.87 mm diagonal

                                      1/2.3" ( Z2, Z3+) = 7.87 mm diagonal

                                      1/3.06" ( LG G6) = 5.867 mm diagonal

                                      1/2.6" ( S6 Edge) = 6.83 mm diagonal

                                      1/2" ( imx586 48MP) = 8 mm diagonal

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                                        • Anonymous
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                                        Sonu4678, 30 Oct 2018What do you mean by copied? Huawei released Kirin with 7nm... moreI am talking about camera sensors.
                                        What CPU has to do here?

                                        Sony brought to mobile 3 layer stacked CMOS call imx400 used inside : XZs, XZ Premium, Xz1, XZ1C, XZ2C, XZ2, XZ2 PREMIUM and XZ3.

                                        Samsung copied and made an ISOCELL that is used inside S9 and Note 9. Same 3 layer with DRAM inside for faster readout.

                                        Months ago Sony announced the EXMOR RS imx586, 48MP 1/2" Quad Bayer 0.8 mícron. Now Samsung do an ISOCELL with exactly same specs.

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