Samsung's new Exynos chipset powering the Galaxy S10 gets unveiled next week

09 November 2018
It will probably be called Exynos 9820 and may come with a dual-core NPU.

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Walter C. Dornez, 10 Nov 2018Not to mention iPhones can last longer than most other Andr... moreRight. A 5-year old iPhone 5 is still receiving updates from Apple.
The iPhone XS series and XR might be supported until 2025.

    dude111, 10 Nov 2018"and it's given already that their small cores are vastly i... more"Nearly" so I suppose it's about a little faster than Cortex A57, which is still considered as a low power core. And that's already at its best.
    Not to mention, Apple might be underclocking the Tempest cores to save even more battery over time.

    Let's just say that Tempest cores are almost as powerful as Cortex A73 @2.1GHz, which would score around 1500.
    Vortex cores score around 4800, and yet the multi-core score of the A12 Bionic chip is just around 12,000.
    In my estimation, if the 6 Tempest cores are really running around the speed of Cortex A73, then the multi-core score must've been beyond 15,000.
    Besides, if Apple decided to run it that high, it might cause the chipset to throttle so easily.

      dude111, 10 Nov 2018"I'm not really blaming the Cortex A76 here (but it really ... moreIt depends on how you understand it, but the Cortex A76 scores around 3500 while Mongoose M3 (a heavily modified Cortex A75 variant) scores around 4000, and here's to my hope that I've defined it well enough for you.

        AnonD-731363, 10 Nov 2018Samsung mongose cores are worse than huawei ones. The inb... moreLet me clear out that I'm not worshipping Samsung or anything here, but it's very clear that they're doing a better job than the others.
        The fact that Samsung has their own custom core design while Huawei relies on Cortex's latest one only shows how they've invested more time and R&D for their high end SoC, which means Samsung has thought out of everything first.
        The single core score of 4000 of the Exynos 9810 is just the fruit of their choice of starting from scratch.

        They sadly do slow the phone down gradually over time, but that's a different story. Even then, a slowed down Exynos 9810 would be as fast as a fresh Kirin 980.

          S Yu, 10 Nov 2018"I suspect that their choice of using less silicons is to a... moreBut in logical standpoint, less silicon means less workload to be powered, and less cause of heat.
          Idk how it can be worse at efficiency, but it's true that it helps in lessening the production cost. And that's very cheap of Huawei for such a SoC that's supposedly going to power a $1000 flagship phone.

            JzbvxvBjzn, 10 Nov 2018Huawei has already demonstrated their chipset is faster by ... moreThat's if everything you're going to use your phone for is to identify sh*t. I don't.
            Processing and graphical power are still more important, especially with the rise of gaming smartphones.
            It does beat the A12 Bionic in Neural-related tasks, but let's just admit that it's not truly crucial in everyday usage.
            Call me back again only if there's already a good and practical use of that "Dual-Brain Power."

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              ace007, 10 Nov 2018Wow.. Do You Know That Samsung Vastly Underclocks Their Pri... moreNot according the real use test... their own has only be good in synthetic test, when you go for real world test They tend to eat more batter, throtle and be slower... well Hopefully this new version in better, because Apple and qualcom needs some desent competition...

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                Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018I'm not really blaming the Cortex A76 here (but it really i... morebut qualcom makes best chipsets maybe their cpu is not as fast but cpu is not the only thing in soc
                they also make adreno gpu which is faster than every other gpu
                they make their own dsp and modem and so on...
                simple check of antutu reveals which is best :)
                now cpu only is another story but your phone cant run just with cpu needs a bunch of other things which they make quite good and efficient compared to exynos,kirin and apple

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                  dude111, 10 Nov 2018"Also, both Apple Axx series and Samsung Mx series are base... moreWe are saying the same thing, I agree with you; ISA is also a Technology. I never claimed they were the same as Cortex-A. My point was they were third-party ARMv8-A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARMv8-A Next time I'll try to be more specific.

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                    Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018I'm not really blaming the Cortex A76 here (but it really i... moreYou are correct about Qualcomm not doing enough in regards to CPU design, the next Qualcomm Kryo will be based on ARMv8.2-A just like Huawei HiSilicon and Samsung Moongoose are based on ARMv8.2-A while Apple A12 Bionic is based on ARMv8.3-A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARMv8-A

                    If Qualcomm wants to really overtake Apple it need not wait for ARM to spoon-feed it Core design by just copying and tweaking Cortex-A (which is meant for OEM who can't undertake Core design by themselves). Qualcomm needs to license ARM latest architecture ARMv8.4-A and invest in Core design R&D

                    However, Qualcomm's major expertise is in modem design and Qualcomm is still the industry leader in modem design.

                      ace007, 10 Nov 2018So I Hope What Happened To Huawei Doesn't Happen To Samsung... moreWait, what happened to Huawei?

                        mshadabalam, 10 Nov 2018Samsung please use A12 Bionic processor in your next galaxy... moreThey can't. Apple makes those chips specifically for iPhones with iOS, not Android

                          Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018Opening speed is one thing, and Apple's smaller cores are a... moreNot to mention iPhones can last longer than most other Android phones over time. They chipset helps the performance keep running smooth or at least usable

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                            I'm waiting successor of Tegra processor for mobile phone

                              Vasra, 10 Nov 2018I just hope they've fixed the power consumption under load ... moreWow.. Do You Know That Samsung Vastly Underclocks Their Primary Mongoose Cores So That They Should Match Their Snapdragon Counterparts??? Their Deisgn Of M3 Cores Are Light Years Ahead Than The Higher Clocked Snapdragon 845s Kryo Cores? In GPUs Case They Still Lessens The GPUs Frequency For The Aforementioned Reasons Only.. They Have All The Tech & The Resources.. They Are On Their Schedule For 5nm Chipsets For Late 2020.. If They Get Out From The Clutches Of The Money Hogging Qualcomm You'll Know How Much Powerful Chipset Is Exynos Really Is.. And As For The Anandtechs Article That Says Exynos Is Good on Paper But A Failure In Real Implementation.. Kindly Read That Article Clearly.. They Still Say That Their Design Of The M3 Cores Are Vastly Ahead Of Their Peers(Maybe Including Apple) But They Underclocks Because Of Note 7 Debacle & Qualcomm.. Wait For Next Year.. When Samsung Gets Out Of Qualcomms Clutches..

                                Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018Opening speed is one thing, and Apple's smaller cores are a... more"and it's given already that their small cores are vastly inferior to the large cores, and even against the small cores of some budget level chipsets on Android."

                                Dafuq?

                                "In SPEC's integer workloads, A12 Tempest is nearly equivalent to a 2.1GHz A73"
                                "Apple’s small cores in general are a lot more performant that one would think. I’ve gathered some incomplete SPEC numbers on Arm’s A55 (it takes ages!) and in general the performance difference here is 2-3x depending on the benchmark"

                                https://www.anandtech.com/show/13453/apple-iphone-xs-review-addendum-small-core-and-nn-performance

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                                  Kingslayer, 10 Nov 2018Battery life still hasn't improved at all during the last f... moreI was thinking the same exact thing, all these processes to make things more efficient and economical but in the end nothing changes.

                                    JzbvxvBjzn, 10 Nov 2018Huawei has already demonstrated their chipset is faster by ... moreThat's done on the NPU...

                                    And, ironically, that 4500 images per minute test, is a benchmark!

                                      O S, 10 Nov 2018The problem here is not ARM Cortex A76 but the implementati... more"Also, both Apple Axx series and Samsung Mx series are based on ARM Technologies."

                                      They run on the architecture created by ARM (a licence of the ISA), their designs however, have nothing to do with ARM.
                                      Its like saying that AMD is based on intel technologies...

                                        Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018I'm not really blaming the Cortex A76 here (but it really i... more"I'm not really blaming the Cortex A76 here (but it really is inferior to Mongoose M3)."

                                        Define inferior.

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