The punch hole screen camera is the way forward

30 December 2018
In order to have a good-looking phone from the front, we have to go through some unpleasant notch and cutout stages.

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Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018Yep, everyone must be like me. I can't imagine anyone who w... moreAgreed

Myself I don't mind a bezel, with a chin and a notch. Wouldn't mind smaller phones too, indeed it's what's keeping me in my 2016 phone, New ones are too big and too thick.

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    • 30 Dec 2018

    AnonD-762416, 30 Dec 2018You're remembering things all mixed up. Great things from n... moreYep, everyone must be like me. I can't imagine anyone who would want a flagship SoC, could possibly want anything smaller than a 6.5" display. People like you are the reason wars start. You can't for a second put yourself in someone else's shoes and imagine they might have different priorities than you. Well congratulations - the market is saturated by phablets and those of us that want a bone thrown to us every once in a while are told to go suck a lemon by the likes of you.

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      • 30 Dec 2018

      AnonD-762416, 30 Dec 2018I guess you also buy graphics cards like RTX 2080's for 720... moreYou really are dense.

      "as long as the SoC is designed correctly, the 845 will expend almost identical power when compared to a 600 series of the same manufacturing process running the same panel with the same task load."

      Take this from someone who has done this as an engineering task. I've designed two boards to go into a extensible system with the same physical attributes - one had an iMX6 solo, the other had an iMX6 Quad. The idea being that customers that wanted a quad core in their systems could have one. All other supporting systems were identical, including the display. And guess what? Both running the same resolution panel with identical processor load drew virtually identical power.

      "I guess you also buy graphics cards like RTX 2080's for 720p screens on PC?"
      Go talk to a few miners. I guarantee they're not running games on these things and almost certainly running the rigs entirely headless. Again, your tendency to presume that everyone is just like you, is clouding your judgment. Tread lightly, as you might find this outlook will land you in hot water one day.

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        • 30 Dec 2018

        The Notch was first introduced by the essential phone not iphone !

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          • khb
          • 30 Dec 2018

          We do not have to go through these stages, but consumers are so needy they want and expect a new device every 6 months. Thus the see of mobile hardware junk continues to deepen month to month...

          Lets say Samsung or Huawei decided to "wait". Yep I used that crazy word! What if they waited to release a flagship device until it met standards consumers really needed or wanted? Neither the maker nor the consumer could handle that, so we have the current formula of hardware being put in our faces year to year...

            I can accept bezel, but I cannot accept a hole on the screen.

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              • Anonymous
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              • 30 Dec 2018

              vlad, 30 Dec 2018I can't hear you over the sound of the galaxy S10 line with... moreJust imagining you’re reaction of the s10 announcement and the rumours are wrong and it’s gone

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                • 30 Dec 2018

                Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018I hope you also realise that just because your GPU has the ... moreI guess you also buy graphics cards like RTX 2080's for 720p screens on PC?
                There is zero advantage with having an overpowered processor with a small screen. Theoretically for calculating complicated things, but then we're back at the physical limitations of a tiny screen. You can't do anything complex on it as you can't see anything more advanced that basic web pages and play lists. So, take this as a serious advice, stop dreaming of an overpowered processor in a tiny phone with a tiny battery and no room for heat dispersion. It might sound cool but it's pointless.

                Your idea that a huge processor can be as efficient as an optimised small processor falls flat on the fact that Intel failed miserably on mobile, because you know, it wasn't particularly optimised for those long periods where id barely had to do anything. We would all use AMD Threadrippers in our phones if that was a reality...

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                  • 30 Dec 2018

                  Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018You need to just get over the headphone jack, it’s gone move onI can't hear you over the sound of the galaxy S10 line with headphone jacks

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                    • Anonymous
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                    • 30 Dec 2018

                    AnonD-762416, 30 Dec 2018What would you need the rendering performance for a 1440p d... moreI hope you also realise that just because your GPU has the capacity to render 25x14 at 60fps, doesn't mean it will always force that power consumption on sub-components that don't warrant it. It's in the name power *consumption*. Spare capacity is analogous to current. Current isn't pushed, it's pulled. In the same way, processing time isn't pushed, it's pulled. If you stick a low resolution panel on an 845, as long as the SoC is designed correctly, the 845 will expend almost identical power when compared to a 600 series of the same manufacturing process running the same panel with the same task load. In this comparison, the 845 is analogous to a bigger power supply. Just because you put a 1kW PSU in your PC, does that mean that your PC now pulls 1kW at all times? No, of course not. It's spare capacity - spare capacity which I would much rather see put to use on something of my choosing, instead of rendering a pointless excess of pixels.

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                      • Anonymous
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                      • 30 Dec 2018

                      sadh, 30 Dec 2018Ou 80% stb belongs to caveman now. Just wow.It was sarcasm...

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 30 Dec 2018

                        Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018Sony's releasing an XZ4 Compact. Here's hoping that comes w... moreYou need to just get over the headphone jack, it’s gone move on

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                          • Anonymous
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                          • 30 Dec 2018

                          The notch was first introduced by the Essential Phone, not Apple.

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                            • Anonymous
                            • 7BD
                            • 30 Dec 2018

                            Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018Yeah you're missing the point. The point is some of us want... moreSony's releasing an XZ4 Compact. Here's hoping that comes with a headphone jack. I don't care for smaller phones but I know there's a market for them so I'm rooting for ya!

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                              • 30 Dec 2018

                              Ou 80% stb belongs to caveman now.
                              Just wow.

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                                • Anonymous
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                                • 30 Dec 2018

                                Honestly why do we even care about a 100% STB?

                                having bezels at the top and bottom allows for dual speakers/other components to fit & it give our FINGERS to hold on to the device without obstructing the viewing experience

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                                  • 30 Dec 2018

                                  [deleted post]What would you need the rendering performance for a 1440p display on a 720p screen? Just burn through the battery faster? :)

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                                    • rob
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                                    • 30 Dec 2018

                                    punch hole, notch, edged screens, Jack removal = worst things ever happened to smartphones

                                    bring us back flat rectangular screens, small bezels for sensors and camera and compact phones, thanks

                                      screen on the back is better than camera on the front

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                                        • AnonD-762416
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                                        • 30 Dec 2018

                                        Anonymous, 30 Dec 2018Yeah you're missing the point. The point is some of us want... moreYou're remembering things all mixed up. Great things from now with great things from back-in-the-days. Just a simple comparison, you couldn't stream UHD HDR video in the days of those phones, could you? :)
                                        What you did on a 4" phone in 2010 doesn't require any more than mid range performance.
                                        See it from the positive side, you'll get a lot more standby with a simpler phone, too...