2019 Winners and Losers: Huawei and Honor

26 December 2019
It would probably launch alongside the upcoming Xperia flagship in February.

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S Yu, 27 Dec 20197+ is more efficient over 7P by single digits, but the SoC ... moreI don't think the middle cluster being clocked 0.27GHz higher and one extra NPU core will affect the power consumption significantly.
"I don't see many buying the more expensive 5G version just to use it on 4G." => This I must agree.

"that will inevitably have to be read"
I didn't read Kissio's entire comment actually, but dismissed it almost immediately when I saw repeating :-DDDDD in the end. That only took me around a second to do so :)

    S Yu, 27 Dec 2019>the viewing angle of the display is on par Yeah I wasn... more"the greening on the extreme curves that's more severe on the BOE screen"
    Not quite sure if I can agree with you on this one either - on Mate 30 Pro edges of the display glows green, but because the curvature is so extreme it appears more like a thin strip rather than thick band that sandwiches the centre portion of the display. I found it just as distracting as my S10's display (i.e. not really annoying if you get used to it), but by any means it wasn't worse. Heck, you even have an option to "hide" the edges using software if you can't stand them.
    I found it pretty comfortable to hold because the curved display was acting like a side frame and increasing the area that touches my palm, making it feel pretty similar to my P30 with a case on. But if you have phones with more curvy frames then I understand why you didn't feel the way I did.

    "adds usually out-of-view pixels for the GPU to render"
    "lack of volume buttons"
    That's pretty much non-issue given how powerful GPUs are on modern flagship SoC. As for the lack of volume buttons, though, I don't think it has anything to do with the waterfall display itself. Mate 30 Pro lost them because Huawei was simply stupid enough to do something new for the sake of showing it off like they did with Mate 20 Pro's in-charging-port-speaker... I mean if that wasn't the case, then how did they even managed to put a regular power button on the side frame?

    "Note10+ UWA night mode> Mate30 UWA night mode"
    No point of bringing up Mate 30 Pro's UWA night mode here. It looks like it's completely broken, cropping away the edges for absolutely no reason while offering worse image quality in every single scenario compared to the auto mode. I prefer Mate's low light UWA shots taken in auto over Note's UWA night mode shots any day, as it's sharper, renders more natural details, has richer colours and shows less noise in the image.

    "well short of its predecessor Mate20"
    "GSMA's rating puts it behind Note10+ too"
    Being slightly behind Note 10+ doesn't Mate 30 Pro's battery life "medicore" in any way, though. You can say it could've been better considering its battery cell capacity, but it's still fairly impressive to say the least. According to Anandtech, in SoC demanding PCMark Work 2.0 battery test Mate 30 Pro was among the most efficient devices and landed in as the third place as well. Now if you want to know the true definition of mediocre battery life I suggest you to try out the regular Pixel 4 :)

    "Gcam which solves a lot of problems and ensures a solid advantage in DNG output"
    As I already stated in my previous comment Gcam is probably the best app for RAW capture, but its JPEG output is... good, but I wouldn't say it's in the same league as Mate 30 Pro. Also ROG Phone 2 lacks OIS so it will struggle more in low light especially when using long exposure Night Sight. I know Gcam compensates for misaligned frames pretty well, but shaky hands will still introduce some softness and blurs to the final pictures if they are too much.

      Anonymous, 27 Dec 2019Your beloved iPhone 11 pro Max is also 226g. That isn't hea... moreThat's still quite a bit lighter than ROG Phone 2, though. In addition to that, iPhone 11 Pro Max is 1.3cm shorter and 1.4mm thinner as well. Now, I do in fact consider the latest iPhone to be really heavy, therefore for me 14g heavier than THAT is simply out of discussion. If I wanted to get an iPhone, I would go for 11 Pro, not Max - Not only it's more compact and substantially lighter, but also by going with smaller model I wouldn't lose anything in terms of features apart from slightly lower res screen and smaller battery. Of course I wouldn't be getting extra smooth 120Hz refresh rate of ROG Phone 2, but I think better overall display specs would definitely make up for it.

        Anonymous, 27 Dec 2019You don't have an ROG 2 brah. Sit down. Cameras might n... moreUh, I actually have no idea where you got those random 85 and 90/100 scores from. On most phones Gcam does work like a magic to some extent but obviously won't fix everything, which means even with Gcam ROG Phone won't gain extra features like OIS, and on top of that due to the nature of ported camera apps the image quality won't be as good as you can get from Pixel. Ported Gcam is definitely the best app for shooting RAW on a mobile phone, but is it enough to overcome the lack of OIS and much smaller sensor size when shooting JPEG in this situation? I don't think that's the case.

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          skoda9635, 27 Dec 2019Good for you then. I am still waiting for EMUI 10 to happen... moreTHEN why do you criticize the ENTIRE company base on a midranger. its not like huawei is ONLY into that stuff. i have mate 20 with EMUI 10, and just to shed some light into that dark illusions of yours, EMUI10 has been very very very much great unlike its previous version. better yet, change your phone. go to xiaomi or other cheap whatnots.

            S Yu, 27 Dec 2019Page 2/2 >By that standard, iPhone 11 Pro Max or Note 1... morePage 2/2

            >Take it easy, you're trolling too hard. Last time a Huawei troll trolled this relentlessly on GSMA it got him banned.

            Seems like it might be your turn for relentlessly attacking Huawei (a brand), which is against the rules.

            >Page 9: Speaker Evaluation - Pretty Bad
            >Or "insanely" bad?

            https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-mate-20-x-audio-review/ Oops.

            >look how far you'll stray to troll for Huawei.

            Look how far you are relentlessly attacking a brand which is against the rules of GSMArena, and shilling so hard for ROG2 you are indirectly declaring it better than Mate 30 Pro.

            >In fact they stole the idea from Shenzhen workshops that filed certain MicroSD cards down to SIM size, thinned both down and glued them together back to back so that it fit in one slot enabling simultaneous use of dual SIM and expanded storage. Regardless, SD Card (sic) Association vs. Huawei, I trust the vast majority of consumers would support the SDA, otherwise they'd genuinely have to vote with their wallets.

            Proof? Because Huawei is back into SD Card Association. Keep seething.

            >I'm not wasting my time on this. The flaws of this model are covered ad nauseaum in other posts.

            Looks like you spent an hour to write comments in 2 parts. Wasting time?

            >To trade for Huawei spyware?

            Evidence? Nobody ever gave it to me.

            >Stop trolling for your evil company.

            And reported for relentlessly attacking a brand and making ad hominem attacks on me.

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              Nick Tagataka, 27 Dec 20191. S Yu is the one who first brought up ROG Phone 2 to the ... moreYour beloved iPhone 11 pro Max is also 226g. That isn't heavy? Keep using outdated 60hz display.

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                Nick Tagataka, 27 Dec 2019I need to disagree with you on the first, third and forth p... moreYou don't have an ROG 2 brah.
                Sit down.

                Cameras might not be as good as mate 30 but definitely not terrible.
                mate 30 pro :90/100
                Rog 2 : 85/100
                Gcam fixes everything.

                OS is as good as Oxygen OS on OnePlus. Lightweight, fast with cherry picked goodies.

                Every manufacturer PR team tried pinning ROG 2 in gaming category, coz they know it Destroys most so called flagship killers on the market.

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                  S Yu, 26 Dec 2019Low res screen with bad viewing angles and too much curve, ... moreAgreed with all except Ultrawide camera, it is the best on market and battery life is also pretty good(not the best but definitely not mediocre), screen is also good (definitely not terrible)

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                    • 27 Dec 2019

                    GAMERMAN, 27 Dec 2019>Low res screen with bad viewing angles and too much cur... morePage 2/2
                    >By that standard, iPhone 11 Pro Max or Note 10+ should last 1-2 hours at best.
                    Take it easy, you're trolling too hard. Last time a Huawei troll trolled this relentlessly on GSMA it got him banned.
                    Above link page 6: Web browsing battery life 2016: Mate30P 11.75 vs. iP11PM 15.58. Note10+ wasn't reviewed there but S10+ was also ~13hrs.

                    >Mate 30 Pro has insane speakers
                    Page 9: Speaker Evaluation - Pretty Bad
                    Or "insanely" bad?

                    >Something Samsung, Apple and Google flagships also lack. Your point being?
                    Oh suddenly this is a race to the bottom? My point being this phone is not the best Android device of the year, read the comment I responded to, far from it, and neither are those. And Apple isn't even Android, look how far you'll stray to troll for Huawei.

                    >Future proofing themselves from how SD Card Association temporarily banned them.
                    In fact they stole the idea from Shenzhen workshops that filed certain MicroSD cards down to SIM size, thinned both down and glued them together back to back so that it fit in one slot enabling simultaneous use of dual SIM and expanded storage. Regardless, SD Card (sic) Association vs. Huawei, I trust the vast majority of consumers would support the SDA, otherwise they'd genuinely have to vote with their wallets.

                    >That seems to be a winning phone in every aspect
                    I'm not wasting my time on this. The flaws of this model are covered ad nauseaum in other posts.

                    >lack of Google spyware
                    To trade for Huawei spyware?
                    Beware the 251!! lol

                    >Stop shilling for your inferior purchase
                    Stop trolling for your evil company.

                    >Error 404 not found
                    Don't be stupid, @NotAnOpinion already posted proof 12hrs ago.

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                      • 27 Dec 2019

                      GAMERMAN, 27 Dec 2019>Low res screen with bad viewing angles and too much cur... morePage 1/2
                      >I would like Google and Apple to disappear from earth
                      Your hate for the western companies remind me of a Huawei troll I came across a few weeks ago at Anandtech. He tried to put up a fight for a few rounds but still scurried off in the face of abundant evidence of Huawei's pure evil. Regardless, all Huawei trolls meet the same fate in my hands. You're welcome to try though, whether because you don't believe me or out of pure spite.

                      >There is some weird reason why all flagships have 60 Hz screens. Oh wait
                      Oh wait, yeah, wait up a bit, don't let your trolling instincts get ahead of you. Pixel 4, 90Hz. 1+7P, 90Hz. And ROGP2 is as much a flagship as any.

                      >because they can be calibrated better
                      https://www.anandtech.com/show/15099/the-huawei-mate-30-pro-review-top-hardware-without-google/5
                      "Unfortunately, I didn’t see colour management working at all on the Mate 30 Pro, so Huawei is definitely behind other vendors this year"
                      Hmmm. Almost convincing though, for some Huawei trolling.

                      >are brighter
                      "In terms of maximum brightness, the Mate 30 Pro is quite conservative and we don’t see brightness levels exceeding 437 nits."
                      Samsung's flagship panels are bright, but don't try to give BOE a free pass.

                      >give more battery life
                      Very weak trolling. Does anybody honestly fall for this? As if 120Hz panels can't go down to 60Hz when you need the battery.

                      >The future does not have buttons.
                      And I'll leave that for the future. For now the response time and tactile feedback of buttons can't be easily matched by touch, especially not by screen gestures. And there's no reason for Huawei not to use pressure sensors like Vivo which are a good compromise, unlike this awkward stunt that can't be operated blindly not to mention the extra steps.

                      >And being the pinnacle of low light ultrawide photos
                      A typical Huawei lie from a purebred Huawei troll. This response from an earlier comment is enough to answer you: "When not much FoV is needed, DR isn't too extreme, and lighting is either sufficient enough not to need night mode or lacking enough that Samsung's tiny sensor tends to capture no data, this new UWA has the advantage."
                      Somehow you missed all the catches to this module's advantage while trolling.
                      And what is "ultrawide" even? If 25-28 is the smartphone's "normal", 50 is the smartphone's "telephoto", then how could you call a feeble 21mm equiv.(Mate30P UWA night mode forced 4:3 crop) "ultrawide"? Samsung's UWA is ~12mm equiv., now that's *ultra*wide.

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                        • 27 Dec 2019

                        GAMERMAN, 27 Dec 2019>Low res screen with bad viewing angles and too much cur... moreYou are right.

                        The ROG Phone 2 is actually such an overhyped device. And that phone is made for a different purpose.

                        Users have overlooked its late software updates (which is also the case in Zenfone 6). Competitors are already working on Android 10, all Asus devices are stuck on Android 9 for the time being (and were recently introduced). Late security patches also renders the device more vulnerable to security risks.

                        The cameras may be ported from the Zenfone 6 but both phones cameras actually perform decent, Samsung A80 still bests both phones in this aspect.

                        You don't need higher refresh rates if the screen flickers badly at low brightness, which was the case in Google Pixel 4. Especially in an OLED panel. I don't want to risk myself getting too much eyestrain because I'm quite PWM and blue light sensitive (I can still tolerate (high quality) OLED panels). Also higher refresh rates drain battery quick.

                        Bigger battery will also make battery replacement more difficult, as mentioned by Zack in JerryRigEverything. When he disassembled the ROG Phone 2 he accidentally bent the battery a little. iPhone 11 Pro's battery didn't kink though its capacity is much smaller (which was thought to be the least repairable smartphone).

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                          Berserker, 27 Dec 2019Can you find 90/120 ghz display on samsing, apple, sony or ... moreWell only flagship killers such as the OP7T and X2 Pro have them. But for now higher refresh screens are a bit pointless because of the bad screen flicker at lower brightness, mainly in OLED panels (ex. Google Pixel 4). Also consumes more battery.

                            S Yu, 27 Dec 2019>compare me a commercial phone with one specifically gam... morejeeez, OK we all agree, ROGP2 is better phone ... give us a break.

                              Crapsung Lagging , 26 Dec 2019Mate 30 pro is suck Low res screen with bad viewing angle... moreCan you find 90/120 ghz display on samsing, apple, sony or lg flagship?
                              Huaweivis not the only OEM stuck wirh 60ghz screens.
                              Dont eat to much carrots :D

                                S Yu, 26 Dec 2019Mate 30 Pro (non-5G): Endurance rating: 103h(the 5G versi... moreIf you think 103h endurance is bad, than i feel sorry for you.

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                                  Kissio, 27 Dec 2019Hahaha !!!! First of all, you are coming here to compare... more>compare me a commercial phone with one specifically gaming phone
                                  Laughable sophistry as typical from a Huawei troll.
                                  What did you first say?
                                  "and there is currently no Android device that is better than the Matte 30 Pro 5G, not one"
                                  So why is there the slightest relevance that it's a gaming phone?

                                  >do you want bring a cement block in your pocket
                                  Mate30 5G: 198 g
                                  So your beloved device is 17.5% lighter than a cement block, does that make it a feather? Or simply a slightly smaller cement block?? lmao

                                  >It has no 5G connectivity -> superb
                                  Definitely, just look at UK's laughable 5G speeds, 300Mbps, they're here to con you out of your money and no 5G means no paying the patent trolls for a fabricated demand.

                                  >It has no IP68 protection
                                  Yeah, minor issue. I'm not saying this phone is perfect but your beloved Mate30 5G is further from ideal.

                                  >Does not have Android 10
                                  You're really gonna go there? Alright then:
                                  Mate30 5G does not have fully functional GMS.
                                  Mate30 5G does not have an AOSP experience.
                                  Mate30 5G does not have UD fingerprint sensor preferred by most over a face unlock.
                                  Mate30 5G does not have air triggers.
                                  Mate30 5G does not have accessories designed to enhance performance.
                                  Mate30 5G has far less performance tweaking flexibility.

                                  >The Mate 30 Pro processor is 7nm + and the ROG Phone 2 is not
                                  Yet, it barely matches the older SD855+ in benchmarks.
                                  Loongsun 3A4000 achieved a *100% increase* in Spec2006 over 3A3000 WITHOUT a process node bump. The process itself is just a number, whether you could really get the SoC to run is the ultimate question.

                                  >Mate 30 Pro 5G camera with a Leica lens
                                  The moment you bring up Leica you lose. For the thousandth time, those are all Chinese made ODM, and I'm well aware of where Mate30's cameras stand.

                                  >I no longer tell you anything
                                  Good call, because you'd be picking the wrong fight.

                                  >And the battery charge of the Mate 30 Pro at 40W
                                  Wattage is another empty number. Note10 supports "45W" charging, but real life tests reveal that it's only about a dozen minutes faster to a full charge than 25W.

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                                    • 27 Dec 2019

                                    Nick Tagataka, 27 Dec 20195G version, if anything, will have a better battery life du... more7+ is more efficient over 7P by single digits, but the SoC is also clocked higher and has more IP in it mind you. I agree that 5G and 4G networking is a major factor, networking is a major factor for all mobile devices, but I don't see many buying the more expensive 5G version just to use it on 4G.

                                    >you're basically wasting your time by replying to an idiotic comment
                                    What I meant was he was wasting everybody's time spreading fanboyism that will inevitably have to be read and probably given thought by many before clearly identified as useless fanboyism.

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                                      • 27 Dec 2019

                                      Nick Tagataka, 27 Dec 2019I need to disagree with you on the first, third and forth p... more>the viewing angle of the display is on par
                                      Yeah I wasn't clear on this, what I meant was actually the greening on the extreme curves that's more severe on the BOE screen.

                                      >the fact that the display curve is so steep makes it a lot more comfortable to hold
                                      My findings are the exact opposite, because it doesn't curve inside your palm but rather leaves a right angle in your palm. The device is most comfortably held with the screen facing inward, and I believe most would agree.

                                      > "too much" curve is not a valid point of criticism
                                      I beg to differ. Too much curve raises the probability of shattering the screen, adds usually out-of-view pixels for the GPU to render, is the main reason for lack of volume buttons, and precludes the design from including curves on the back where it actually meets your palm.

                                      >the better overall image quality, especially in low light
                                      I think it's beyond dispute by now that Mate30 UWA auto > Note10+ UWA auto but Note10+ UWA night mode> Mate30 UWA night mode. Regarding DR it's also questionable. You might think it's a good compromise, but it's not an outright win, unlike that guy's is bragging about with his fanboyism.

                                      > it's just all about the preference
                                      In a word, yes.

                                      >its battery capacity is 6000mAh
                                      We're talking about battery life and nothing ensures battery life better than a big battery, everything else is variable and has an element of subjectivity.

                                      > full 2 days in medium usage
                                      I don't know where you got that but Anandtech's test reveals that it falls well short of the competition of large screen flagships, also well short of its predecessor Mate20. GSMA's rating puts it behind Note10+ too.

                                      >Btw ROG Phone 2 lacks any sort of external storage expansion
                                      But the pricing is far more reasonable. If you could buy 512GB or 1TB internal storage at a reasonable price, there's less need for external storage. Internal is much faster anyway.

                                      > the cameras are absolutely garbage
                                      No idea where that came from, they're about midrange and also supports Gcam which solves a lot of problems and ensures a solid advantage in DNG output. IIRC the Huaweis still don't support Gcam.

                                      >it's a gaming phone made specifically for gamers
                                      I've heard many voices of buying the device not for gaming but just for the solid...basically everything. This is a true power-user's device. The tacky aesthetics, and first of all aesthetics are subjective or I could say Mate30 look like electric stoves, could be solved by simply adding a thin case, and there are many designs to choose from.

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                                        Baykko, 27 Dec 2019You people are so disgusting. Yes the ROG phone might be th... more"It is a winning phone in EVERYTHING, and there is currently no Android device that is better than the Matte 30 Pro 5G, not one."
                                        That's very obviously a fanboy's overshoot. I only listed a few aspects to dispute that, not claim that it's "sh1t". You're overreacting.

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