Samsung developing a massive 1" 150MP sensor, Xiaomi phone with it coming in Q4

17 March 2020
Finally, a sensor larger than that inside the Nokia 808 PureView. Besides Xiaomi, Oppo and vivo are also interested in the sensor.

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Rahat , 08 Apr 2020Finally 1" sensor in mobile phones. Its like a dream come t... moreSensor size is important only if it uses bigger pixels. No point in having a 150 MP sensor that outputs 16 MP images with 2.4 μm pixels. Give 11 MP (3840x2880) photos with 3.2 μm pixels (and not that 9-in-1 shenanigans)!

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    • 08 Apr 2020

    Finally 1" sensor in mobile phones. Its like a dream come true. Thats why I love Samsung and will always stick to Samsung phones.

      matjaz, 02 Apr 2020lumix dmc cm1 isnt a phoneBoy, you need to do your homework. It runs on Android OS and has 4G LTE connectivity alongside micro-SIM card slot.

        finally, we are about to see 1" sensors, can we do away with all these 3 or 4 camera arrangements now? please couple that with proper manual settings and less agressive processing for jpegs please, samsung cameras are often some of the better cameras around, BUT they are ALWAYS let down by their processing, the quality I get out of gcam 6.1 on my note 10+ vs stock camera app is astounding, im waiting for a newer version of gcam to be compatible with Exynos as I suspect it would produce even better results

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          • 02 Apr 2020

          lumix dmc cm1 isnt a phone

            Now we are at a point where the quality of the optics are more important than ever...
            Manufactures will have to bend light in impossibly precise ways to get a clean image onto the sensor...

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              • 25 Mar 2020

              Anonymous, 19 Mar 2020An example: Did you know that smartphone tele cameras actu... moreNo they don't. They tend to be smaller sensors, with smaller pixels, dimmer apertures, and even not be as good in focus tech or ois.
              So no. They definitely don't capture the same amount of light.

                Mark, 19 Mar 2020The fall of huawei camera division is coming. Let go of hua... moreUmm, how? Sony will simply make the equally large (or even larger) version of this sensor but with lower MP count and give it to Huawei or Oppo. And keep it in mind that the software processing and lens quality also play a significant role when it comes to final image quality, those areas are where Huawei usually excels.

                  Yay for 1 inch sensor size, nay for foolishly high resolution. A native 16MP sensor with Dual Pixel AF or a Quad Bayer 64MP sensor with 2x2 OCL design that are equal in size and binned resolution would be more capable compared to this 150MP sensor in many ways (Focusing speed, light gathering ability, optimisation by ISP, etc.), unless Samsung comes up with new technologies to fill the gap in those area. So far effectiveness of Nonacell structure is yet to be proven and I'm seriously starting to doubt if it's any better than (or even on par with) Quad Bayer/Tetracell. It might benefit the phone companies when they advertise their new phones, though.

                  Now, changing the topic: When the sensor becomes this large, optics also need to be very high quality for it to be utilised to its fullest. Large glass elements with anti-reflection coating need to be used to design lens for greater detail resolving power and flare reduction, and OIS should also grow larger in size and become more precise accordingly.. It will be fascinating to see which company will be able to make the most of sensors that are 1" and above in future. When that time comes, GSMArena should do the comparison between the latest smartphone cameras and the compact cameras to see how they will compare. Obviously the latter will have an upper hand in zoom, but at the widest end of the lens smartphones shouldn't have any problem beating out compacts.

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                    • 19 Mar 2020

                    The fall of huawei camera division is coming. Let go of huawei now leica just focus on making slr.

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                      • 19 Mar 2020

                      A 64MP 1" sensor supporting 4-to-4-to-1 binning will be good for video recording:
                      64MP for recording 8K with OIS and EIS;
                      16MP (with 4-to-1 binning) for recording 4K with OIS and EIS;
                      4MP (with 16-to-1 binning) for recording 1080p with OIS and EIS, even under low-light condition;

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                        • 7xc
                        • 19 Mar 2020

                        It makes more sense to have a 64MP 1" sensor supporting 4-to-1 binning, especially if you consider sensor's 'raw data readout' speed limitation and the current best ISP processing power.

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                          • 19 Mar 2020

                          Anonymous, 19 Mar 2020Because downsampling is actually just a noise reduction alg... morePersonally I think that having a high resolution Bayer camera and a low resolution Bayer camera is much better than having only a high resolution Quad Bayer camera. I suggested this approximately 1 year ago, now Samsung is the first manufacturer who offers this:
                          The Galaxy S20 has a 12 megapixel wide angle Bayer camera and a 64 megapixel wide angle Bayer camera. Possibly a 48 megapixel Quad Bayer camera and a 64 megapixel Bayer camera could be even better as many Quad Bayer sensors can capture different exposures at the same time, but the advantage is just theoretical.

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                            • 19 Mar 2020

                            Anonymous, 19 Mar 2020Because downsampling is actually just a noise reduction alg... moreAn example:
                            Did you know that smartphone tele cameras actually capture at least the same amount of light from distant objects as the main camera? Nonetheless manufacturers like Apple sometimes use digital zoom instead of using the tele camera. It's exactly the same reason:
                            2x digital zoom of a 12 megapixel camera only uses 3 megapixels, so there is less read noise, which is an advantage in extreme low light conditions.

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                              • 19 Mar 2020

                              sadh, 18 Mar 2020This is my question. Why manufacture goes for Binning inste... moreBecause downsampling is actually just a noise reduction algorithm. Every camera uses noise reduction algorithms. Noise reduction algorithms already average pixels.
                              But pixel binning isn't software. Pixel binning means that the pixels are read out together. In extreme low-light conditions this is better than downsampling because sensors are not perfect and produce more read noise when they need to read out many pixels. So actually it has nothing to do with capturing more light as the sensor doesn't capture more light at all.

                                sadh, 18 Mar 2020This is my question. Why manufacture goes for Binning inste... moreYou have to remember that today's smartphone manufacturers want to create thinner phones day by day. After all, not many people wanted a huge camera bump like you see in a Nokia 808 PureView or even the Nokia Lumia 1020. That is why camera developers created a sensor that can emulate a camera with high native megapixel and super big native micron pixel count without the need for a camera bump.

                                  The Last Oracle, 17 Mar 2020Only at Full Res. For a 12MP sensors the 48MP Quad Bayer se... moreI don't really think so. From my experience using various smartphones with Quad Bayer camera, even pixel binned 12MP still cannot resolve more detail. They always tend to trade sharpness and detail purity for brighter photos.

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                                    Abhi-Darth-Plagueis, 18 Mar 2020And here I was thinking megapixel race is a thing of last d... moreI said it times and times again - it's not about the megapixels, it's about the sensor size. 1" is absolutely enormous for a smartphone. I don't think we sensors will get any bigger than that because if you want to use bigger sensor you have to make bigger lens too or make some big compromises there.

                                      And here I was thinking megapixel race is a thing of last decade.

                                      But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, When ISP in Qualcomm SoCs continue to claim support for 192mp sensors, then it was bound to happen sooner or later.

                                      I just hope it doesn't remain merely a fat number, like S20ultra.

                                        R2K2, 17 Mar 2020I am more worried about shallower depth of field of 1'' sen... moreAll it takes is a clear and well-engineered lens to resolve great amount of details.
                                        Ever wonder why the iPhone 11's 12MP images are sharper than Redmi Note 8's 12MP pixel-binned images in daylight??
                                        Lens plays a major role in resolving power of the sensor.

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