Sony PlayStation 5's Amazon listing reveals price
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020 (I'd suggest you look into insomniac games, I am somewhere... moreand another point, sony and microsoft are not developers, they publish games made by studios owned by them for consoles they sell, so if manufacturers won't work with AMD to optimize the hardware, who will? Insomniac is owned by sony (I have been at insomniac since 2018), , so why won't I work to make the game perform best it can? so there goes final wrong statement in your straw hat
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020 (I'd suggest you look into insomniac games, I am somewhere... moreand this was my last comment here, since I don't have crayons with me to explain it at more rudimentary level
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Be sure at first whom are you work for.. Insomniac (console... more (I'd suggest you look into insomniac games, I am somewhere in their HQ, prior to it it was Activision US). Since you can't read for your life, here is something I said couple of comments below. When you are making a game, you need to know what you are working with, I had the internals of PS5 long before anything about it was even announced. Software is developed for given hardware and not vice versa in console land, that is whole point of exclusives. I worked "WITH" (since you can't read I have to write this one in caps) AMD to get to know their APU so that we could extract every bit of processing power from it. In that sense I am more familiar with their internals than you will ever be. You probably have opened the APU for a console that is not even out there, right? By the way you resorted to childish stuff and completely irrelevant claims, I'd say your age is around 16-17 and who just saw what PCs are. Making an exclusive game isn't just slapping assets on top of engine and hoping it sticks. Ray tracing is literally another dimension to usual game physics and lightning we work with, the load it puts on APU is something else. And to fetch those assets while working with ray tracing is something I haven't seen any consumer PC do till date.
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020I work at insomniac (read the comments properly please) If ... moreBe sure at first whom are you work for.. Insomniac (console favour) or AMD? And you're credit on those games? Ok you can also find a name that could similar with my name probably XD
But how specific you're working on AMD APU? I mean which purpose? Because other than desktop apu their apu do distribute to consoles.. Even how can one can develop games on hardware site specifically lol! Dev usually go with different types of specific programming interface. If one work for consoles they will be working with Microsoft, Sony ot Nintendo.. Not and the microprocessor manufacturers itself.. Man your words are very very very unrealistic.. Even if you're a Dev you're so bad about hardwares.. Which should not be happening.. Lol man.
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Ryzen requires B550 chipset (it works on B450 through bios,... moreWhich ryzen requires b550 chipset? It's a new chipset. And mobo with it will supports newer and old processors! But the newer zen3 cpu will work on old b450 mobo.. That's the fact you told infos about.. And to phase out it is way longer than now. Almost half of decades.. So it's not a fact here.. And the mobo which supports newer gen cpu is very much long runner horse.. The later gen cpu still long time to come so you were totally pointless. And yet I don't need to go with b550 mobo.. There plenty of other mobo which may support even zen4.. I very much know about loading process and the working paths. Way more than your whole generation that's why I asked about all inner processes that you claimed to be working on.. Don't bring any useless example here.. And kid I know more than your whole generation that's why I asked.. But you gave no shit related ans as expected before.. Give all ans I ask for other than asking me lol.. Why are you saying about their development place? Did I ask it? Read again what I ask for.. Even why tf you need to send me audio as their security guard can go in their office unlike outsider like you.. Here no one asking for pc other ability to compare with consoles other than just gaming or I can say the console itself a pc.. But how do you render games what is a working process of gpu. I guess you referred rendering data assets? No wonder the guy with all fake claims should not have accurate ideas..Xd
About Linus video you just proved myself. It's true that sony made a specialised controller for their sdd and software data path to utilize that. But Tim Sweeny didn't claim that it's the fastest. And here it was Linus misunderstood completely.. Because yes there ssd cards can be found with waaaaaay more fast read and write speed than ps5 ssd.. The most benefit of ps5 ssd that their controller allows it to bandwidth upto 9 GB/s compressed data.. Here the special architecture comes.. His misinformation was telling Sweeny's statement in a wrong way.. He pointed out that and I also said that in my previous reply.. Linus showed ssd cards are way faster than ps5 ssd. Even there can be found more.. And the controller of ps5 ssd allows it more compressed bandwidth which should be a benefit for ps5.. Pc doesn't work like consoles, specially like ps5. So it doesn't requires such architecture of ssd that won't give any extra massive performance for the system.. Pc software and hardware is designed for primary system memory and arc 1 secondary system memory.. Which effect the performance in a massive way. A first gen ddr4 ram way faster than even compressed bandwidth of ps5.. So? Pc doesn't cry for any useless architecture which only allows a faster compressed data, not even raw. Where ssd with 5GB/s read speed are thing from early January 2020.. It doesn't matter how much latency of ssd would decrease, it won't be near as base version of arc1 system memory in decades which is way way more effective than the fastest ssd card of pc (29 GB/s).. 5x loading time only improve the loading time by few seconds.. Lol..
What have I said? There aren't not many games with more than 100gb cannot be found.. and isn't just textures.. Probably you don't know more than it Xd..
Come one? You're taking other term here where the technical term of these thing works way more complex! Lol
I told you enough about this. So I don't need to explain you again..
What some thousand useless talk without answering my single question..
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Oh yeah the USD xd! But so I've to believe that you work in... moreI work at insomniac (read the comments properly please) If you get spider man :miles morales by any chance, you will find my name in end credits, I worked with AMD since I had to make games on their APU
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Ssd only makes faster load time,, not noticeable performanc... moreRyzen requires B550 chipset (it works on B450 through bios, but that is most likely a one way flash) mobo's supporting B550 are few and cost 100-150, you can get 450 for 30-40 cheaper, but then it will eventually phase out. It is easier to change CPU than mobo, so might as well buy a better mobo than changing it when next gen inevitably comes. You don't know about in-game load times right? How TF do you think game assets are loaded, why do you think you get those elevators and travel cut scenes in middle of going to new world? You clearly have no idea of how games work do you? And "APU" and "microprocessor" is still used at Insomniac and AMD HQ, You are welcome to burbank or austin to hear it, I'll record an audio and send it to you just in case I am not there. And I used rendering as example of productivity since I render games that are played on consoles. That is one simple reason consoles can never surpass PC's as the games are still made on PC's and those servers we have. Re watch the Linus video please! "Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney recently stated that the upcoming Playstation 5 would feature a storage architecture "far ahead of anything you can buy on anything on PC for any amount of money right now". Linus initially attacked Sweeney's statement, citing existing SSDs with faster read/write speeds. In this video, Linus explains how he misunderstood Sweeney's statement, apologizes for spreading misinformation, and discusses some of the cool tech that makes the PS5 truly exciting for gamers of all stripes." at least read the description. Linus cited SSD with faster r/w speeds in PC domain (that SSD costs more than PS5), but Sweeney was talking about microcontroller that pushes data at rate faster than any SSD. PC's are limited by software, a unified software on console removes that throughput latency thereby perceptibly increasing speed. So yeah, faster SSD's won't improve games in PC land, though 5x less loading times are great. COD is >100 GB and so is RDR2 so you are wrong, those textures take lot of space.
In layman terms, think of tap that can throw water at 100 liters/second. but pipe can only handle 10 liters and tap 2 that can throw 50 liters and pipe can handle that entire load through a dedicated controller. That is PC vs consoles for you right now
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Bogdan, 11 Jun 2020If the price is correct is shame. Because Xbox Series X sho... moreEverything (and I mean everything) is inflated these days. It's called run away inflation and has started in the 10s due to rapid quantitative easing which is now getting worse due to he virus situation.
Basically a tax imposed on all currencies, meaning that if your salary remains constant you *actually* get poorer because everything has become that much pricier.
I honestly expected it closer to $1000, following the trend set by high end phones. Surprised to see it at a price similar to a mid range (or a chinese high end) phone.
It's basically what we would call $399 about a decade ago. Which is not pricey for a new console...
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020USA is 3rd world right? makes sense? does it? AMD literally... moreOh yeah the USD xd! But so I've to believe that you work in AMD XDDDDD.. The guy who doesn't even know about their cpu supported mobo.. Thanks for the joke
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Which 3rd country do you live in? 3300x and 3100 can be fou... moreUSA is 3rd world right? makes sense? does it? AMD literally has it's HQ in Austin dude go spread your BS somewhere else
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Again I chose 3600 since it is available while 3300 is not!... moreWhich 3rd country do you live in? 3300x and 3100 can be found in most of retail shops here in Europe.. I was only talking about gaming what can be compared with consoles price point as well. Not a system for productivity. Since I'm comparing with the consoles, a pc with 3300x can do all other productive workloads happily. Because I'm not making it all way a balanced machine. Although 3300x is very good cpu for entry level. Even the best out there.. If you're on balanced site and making it as a console comparison in gaming it doesn't make sense in this argument and anyone won't require productivity in the first place.. For gaming 3300x is better and cheaper.. That's what the point was... No one here required cpu for rendering hence 3300x is able to do that..
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020SSD is there to improve load times and performance. You do ... moreSsd only makes faster load time,, not noticeable performance difference on pc site. Man you surely don't know about this! The stand point of microcontroller is the brain circle of ssd's performance of distribution of data. But that isn't the case for gaming performance in pc.. Linus apologies was for his misunderstanding with Tim Sweeny's statementa not for his misinformations! You surely didn't get what have said.. Not a single information about compared ssd he said about was wrong.. His only mistake was he thought wrong about Tim's one informations. Not his information! Lol man! I'm the moderator and premium member of his forum and channel.. So living your conspiracy world.. And games shows at launching even weren't gameplay! Just demos! And r in the rdna means Radeon. Lol what did you find interesting here? Xd and the gpu performance surely is on 2070 level but just on the shades site not rt cores! None of these card have any physical rt cores. And yes I even know the inner implementation of ray tracing of their newer architecture. I'm sure you're not even aware of basic infos.. Really you handle pc microprocessor? So which one exactly? Because no one does use the term in enterprise level. I would like know what did you do with microprocessor? I've done my bachelor and masters in ee, credit in microprocessor and circuits.. I've completed my PhD in ECE and double course in data structure.. I surely can understand what have you done with Microprocessor? Even I'm surely you're the guy here with many misinformations and misconceptions about parts ie. Ryzen 4000 supported mobo and now computer storage working path.. I want to know what code did you wrote for gpu? More specifically the data path of rendering games, I hope you can explain XD..
And what equal ground you're talking about? I've here to make equal performance, not specs.. And irony you're saying me that I've no idea. Says the guy who even don't know about mobo supported cpu lmao.. Loading games and perform is another thing. The difference is very tiny but other major things ie. rendering data doesn't have anything more or few with arc 3 computer memory.. You're words are clearly showing that you don't have any single ideas about data workloads of pc that's why you're thinking it as all authorities said about ps5.. For God sake pc doesn't work like this no matter how much false information and misinformation you say here.. I doubt you even notice the drive path while installing games.. Why I need to install the whole file in ssd other program data.. And only 2 games? Lol man! All games doesn't have over 100gb installation files (not programs data which is the factor in faster load).. Yeah again ssd loading file or games have nothing to do with performance in the first place.. Yet they don't loss in hardware for nothing! You don't know. Stop talking anything which you don't know.. If one company fails that means they didn't get their invested money at least..
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Console and Pc don't work like same.. I don't need a ssd wi... moreAgain I chose 3600 since it is available while 3300 is not! definitely not at amazon USA, comparable performance (3-5 FPS difference with a 2080Ti is a hogwash) I am not making a PC for Competitive gaming, I am making one for single player AAA games and productivity, it is a 30-40 dollar difference I'd digest for extra cores, you don't want to, that is fine! 3600 still edges out 3300 in multi threaded applications which I use to render stuff and edit videos... it is a build I'd recommend to anyone who wants to make his PC exceed consoles in almost all parts since PC has productivity going for it.
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020Console and Pc don't work like same.. I don't need a ssd wi... moreSSD is there to improve load times and performance. You do realize the >10x speed difference in HDD and SSD right? stop calling yourself a PC guy if you can't understand why SSD is more expensive compared to HDD and the micro controller dedicated to read write buffers to removing that intermittent delay in setting up new environments (Linus the most popular ardent PC guy had to apologize for spreading misinformation in that domain), and how it works? and no RTX is not a joke, the games at launch were being played on PS5, they were literally playing at visuals at level of 2070 thanks to RDNA (search what R is in that abbrevation) architecture of AMD, while you are an enthusiast, I am a guy who handles PC at microprocessor and at the tiniest level, I write code for GPUs to render for all it is (I'd suggest you look into insomniac games, I am somewhere in their HQ, prior to it it was Activision US). and you are correct, RTX as it is does not improve anything, but the performance load it puts on GPU is tremendous, you want to compare PC to console, compare it on equal grounds and don't start saying stuff you literally have no idea about since I can see that from HDD vs SSD argument. You need your games to load as fast as consoles, if you are saying your build is better, it will never do that with any HDD on the face of the earth. In 256 GB, you get around 235 GB with OS and storage discrepancy which is barely enough for 2 games. Any more games have to be loaded from 7200 RPM hard disk which is freaking slow anyways. And you don't understand why can companies take a loss to make their product go to more hands right? Econ-101 fail that is. Sony and MSFT have been promoting games as service for while now, and digital edition proves that
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020800 build with raytracing (non 2060) and SSD? teach me senpai!And don't take rt on these console so seriously! Or you'll be considered as a joke. I'm sure you don't anything about rt other than the name.. Check out an old reply of mine to a guy name Love the Community.. It may give you some ideas about rt on these consoles. And look how did I made him a joke..
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020800 build with raytracing (non 2060) and SSD? teach me senpai!800$ build with 2060s? I doubt you ever built a pc in your life..
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020I'm trying to make a build that is comparable with consoles... moreConsole and Pc don't work like same.. I don't need a ssd with 1tb storage. Ssd in pc has a different reason than just increase the storage. I think you don't know about that.. You're a pc guy probably but not an enthusiast level for sure! If you compare with newer console and talk about current prospective that would be a foolish thing.. There build doesn't mean always low specs. A pc in 250$ can be called budget build.. It's not about bit more powerful it's about almost identical performance in cheaper price as I said 3300x has similar or better core layout performance in gaming than 3600.. You definitely don't know about all stuffs you're looking for.. Even you don't know much about supported hardware ie. your statement about ryzen 4000 supported mobo is one of most nooby thing I saw.. MS and Sony surely not selling at a loss no matter what.. If anyone say that he surely spreading fake gimmicks from manufacturer site or have no ideas what he's saying. We family business of hardware and software since years.. I know well how they get benefits from console business.. Yeah they don't put too much tax on console hardware but surely they don't get the equal price either.. It's not about point but facts.. Everyone who build pc often does know this.. HDD isn't for there to match with ssd but increase my storage as I don't need any 1tb ssd for budget build to compare console.. It's seeing that you don't know much about inner process that why saying something unknowingly..
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How can you guys not know that ANYONE can create an Amazon listing. I can add ps5 for $1000 if I wanted to cause i've had an Amazon selling account for years. This is all fake news.
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Anonymous, 12 Jun 2020Newer ryzen 3300x is very much a cpu for half decade if you... more800 build with raytracing (non 2060) and SSD? teach me senpai!
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Anonymous, 13 Jun 2020I'm trying to make a build that is comparable with consoles... moreAnd I forgot to mention that 3300x is unavailable at amazon US right now, so there's that. I will put a rebuild once we get to point of sales, but I can bet tree fiddy that you wont be able to make a PC as powerful as Ps5 or xb1 for anywhere close to 150 percent of their MSRP even at their launch date