Sony announces A7S III with 4K 120p recording, 16-bit RAW video and in-body stabilization

28 July 2020
Also features a completely revamped UI and a new fully articulating touchscreen.

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AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020In lowlight it is generally better to have an : 1. Larger ... moreOn Pro cameras, you can change aperture, ISO and SS according to the light. But if you don't have enough pixel size (You can't change this unlike others), forget about image details irrespective of light.

    AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Then, why the S20 Ultra with such an humongous sensor, and ... moreAre you talking about Xperia 1 II and S20 Ultra?? I clearly explained the other user pros and cons of each technology in my previous comment.

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      • 29 Jul 2020

      Questions For professionals, if you use an main camera at 12 MP (27 mm) let's say on the normal focal length. If you want to use an Ultrawide lens, which covers more, do you need to increase the resolution of the sensor to retain the sharpness, or will it just be pixelated but sharp? And when you decide to zoom digitally, do you just crop that part of the image or you upscale the said cropped image? I need answer, would be appreciated. Thanks

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        YUKI93, 29 Jul 2020That's the difference between a camera with native res... moreSo how does Nokia 9's RAW work? I thought it captures multiple photos from those 5 cameras, then paste it all onto one single photos that isn't processed. But it isn't 100% RAW as you need to correct the perspective of 5 different cameras, and it is done automatically. So, all phones uses Multi Frame Stacking RAW, they shoot multiple photoa at multiple different settings to get the amount of data the larger, bigger sensor gets in one shot. Because their sensor is smaller therefore, less data.

          AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Then, why the S20 Ultra with such an humongous sensor, and ... moreThat's the difference between a camera with native resolution and the one with Bayer-filtered resolution. iPhone doesn't have to concentrate on producing effective large pixels as it already has one in the first place. That means the iPhone can concentrate on retaining its detail clarity as it doesn't suffer from any detail loss, unlike Samsung. The Xperia 1 ii is like Nokia 9 PureView - rubbish on JPEG, but an absolute stunner with manual controls. I'm just waiting to see how the Xperia 1 ii's RAW performance looks like.

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            • 29 Jul 2020

            In lowlight it is generally better to have an :
            1. Larger sensor with smaller aperture
            2. Or an smaller sensor with larger aperture?

            Which is better? Pixel size or aperture size? Is the Depth Of Field gonna be the same? Is the collected amount of light same?
            Any pros please answer, i need knowledge.

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              YUKI93, 29 Jul 2020Best joke I heard in the century. No matter how much softwa... moreThen, why the S20 Ultra with such an humongous sensor, and pixel size as the P40 Pro, produces very inferior results even to sensors 3x smaller like the Iphone 11 Pro? Software only improves bad hardware, but of course cannot match it with the same level. Good hardware also needs proper tuning, or you will end up with results from the S20 ultra and Xperia 1.

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                Shanti Dope, 29 Jul 2020Every stupid flagship phone owners were gangsta 'til t... morewell said :D

                  AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Don't compare phone with high end camera. Best Phones ... moreBest joke I heard in the century. No matter how much software computation you put into the smartphone camera, it will NEVER beat hardware physics.

                    Smithravi, 29 Jul 2020Also oversampling is better than pixel binning. Reason why ... moreSo true with you about the first sentence. Learned that lesson for real with the Nokia 808 and also the Lumia 1020, and I'm still impressed with their camera prowess to this day. Sure that it doesn't have latest-gen stabilization or chipset or even camera versatility, but it still can make minced meat out of today's Quad Bayer smartphone cameras.

                      AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Pixel binning is bad? How bad is it compared to regular non... moreThe problem with pixel binning, at least with Quad Bayer or Nona Bayer, is that it combines four or nine neighboring pixel pitch into one large effective pixel. Great for low light condition, not so for detail clarity as it is the detail that has been sacrificed. That is why the Nokia 808 and 1020 went for oversampling pixel binning technique instead. They can produce high-quality photos at a lower resolution without sacrificing the native pixel pitch and also the detail clarity.

                        Every stupid flagship phone owners were gangsta 'til this camera took a footage in forest at night at ISO 409600.

                          Nick Tagataka, 29 Jul 2020"The reason Xperia 1 II got so much hype is also this ... moreNo. Not in every situation Pixel binning of 108MP is useful or better than low resolution images. The only advantages of higher MP is it can capture high res picture. Whether it is bad or good image quality depends on many noises. Point of binning is to reduce those noises to that of low res images. Higher MP = higher noise.

                          So the argument of Xperia 1 II 12MP vs S20 Ultra 108MP (Full res or PB low res) comes to the user requirement. If a user needs faster readout speeds, S20 Ultra or P40 Pro can never match Xperia 1 II even in dreams. There are limitations for science. Reason why 20fps AE/AF is possible on Xperia 1 II alone. Yeah it is sad that there is no dedicated nightmode on Xperia but the point of large pixel sensor is not only to get more light but also to be able to focus (moving or stationary) in low lights. Here again higher MP S20 and P40 fails (This is why faster read outs is important, Sony Eye AF uses faster readouts). Indeed in certain situations like zooming capabilities the latter two excels. In the end of the day, you trade off something for something.

                          PS: I use Xperia 1 II. Reason I brought this is for the display, design and camera controls (Selfies and nightmode are not my interest though).

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                            not for starters

                              AnonD-889996, 29 Jul 2020No one compared this to Sony's latest flagship phone?Why would that comparison be even necessary?

                                Smithravi, 29 Jul 2020Also oversampling is better than pixel binning. Reason why ... moreThat's really up to camera hardware and lighting conditions.

                                  Smithravi, 29 Jul 2020Sensor size and lens interchangeability. These two are enou... more"The reason Xperia 1 II got so much hype is also this exact reason that without any binning, they used bigger pixel sensor size than competitors"

                                  Not really, Xperia 1 II got hyped up because it was bringing a full suite manual mode to a smartphone camera, plus it was a Sony phone and Sony fans tend to hype up their favourite stuffs more than other brands (e.g. Apple, Samsung) fans do. If the sensor specs was the reason then the regular S20 would've got the same treatment from the tech community.

                                  It's also a myth that a regular RGB Bayer sensor with larger pixel size differs from an equally sized QB sensor that has 4 times the pixel count, as the latter is capable of collecting the same amount of light and theoretically is able to produce an identical image to the former after the pixel binning process. In fact, S20 fares worse than S20 Ultra in low light despite having over 5 times larger pixels.

                                    AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Pixel binning is bad? How bad is it compared to regular non... moreAlso oversampling is better than pixel binning. Reason why Sony A7S and A7Sii 1080p video is among the best viable.

                                      AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Don't compare phone with high end camera. Best Phones ... moreAn entry level camera with < 20MP APS-C sensor, poor quality kit lens and ONLY shooting in JPEG + Auto, then sure, there's a possibility that high end phones may produce more pleasing results depending on a situation. However, that's now how this camera will be used by majority of its users therefore your statement is utterly false, "Guesser".

                                        AnonD-923722, 29 Jul 2020Pixel binning is bad? How bad is it compared to regular non... moreAt least read some articles before arguing. For starters, read this article

                                        https://www.themobileindian.com/news/what-is-pixel-binning-everything-you-need-to-know-30373

                                        It also says:
                                        "It should also be noted that if a sensor is small, pixel binning will not add much to the overall image."

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