Qualcomm tries to persuade the US government to let it sell chips to Huawei

10 August 2020
Otherwise, Qualcomm competitors could benefit from the ban.

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Lots of comments here talking like "expert engineer wannabes" or "expert economist" LMAO

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    • AnonD-923722
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    • 11 Aug 2020

    AnonD-909757, 11 Aug 2020That's interesting to learn. Also I just watched a vi... morePeople think Qualcomm is superior because of :

    1. Brand name (true)
    2. GPU benchmarks (true)
    3. CPU benchmarks (true)
    4. Power efficiency (Kirin is better)
    5. No trottling (true)
    6. Video processing (true)

    But they don't see that :
    1. 5G is better on Kirin (it is an 5G chip, not modem, so it saves power and space)
    2. Power efficiency is even better on Kirin (Huawei's phone has legendary battery life)
    3. Single core 3D bench (Exynos best in Android)
    4. AI (Mediatek and Kirin are best)
    5. ISP (Kirin is best in Android, it proves that by having Auto mode beating other phones Night mode)

    And most importantly, Qualcomm makes inferior midrange chips compared to Kirin and Mediatek.
    Dimensity 1000L vs 768G (mediatek 15% better)
    G90T vs 720G (Mediatek more powerful but less efficient)
    Kirin 985/820/810 vs 768G (Kirins are comparable to the 855 and all adds 5G)

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      • 11 Aug 2020

      AnonD-923722, 11 Aug 2020Kirin has better AI. It is proved by the AI benchmark, and ... moreThat's interesting to learn.
      Also I just watched a video about RISK-V that is said to replace ARM and that Huawei is part of, so, maybe all that isn't relevant anymore anyway.

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        • AnonD-923722
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        • 11 Aug 2020

        LG Superfan, 10 Aug 2020Now that you mention ISP and 5G I agree with in built SoCs ... moreIt meeds complex colour processing to handle an RYYB sensor. They need to do it real time too. Or else, the image from viewfinder will looon different than the final photo. P30 Pro already had difficulties with RYYB senslr colour tuning (weird colors and White balance), it was fixed on the Kirin 990. I doubt that Qualcomm can handle that. Qualcomm is superior in GPU, CPU, video processing and throttling. Kirin is better in AI, ISP, power efficiency (legendary battery life of Huawei's phone). And more so, they can tune it their own so it is better and is less expensive.

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          • AnonD-923722
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          • 11 Aug 2020

          AnonD-909757, 10 Aug 2020I am not the kind of guy who follow Benchmarks only, I actu... moreKirin has better AI. It is proved by the AI benchmark, and only Dimensity 1000L of Mediatek comes close. Pixels have very good AI, but that's because they use the Neural chip. Only Huawei and Google have such impressive AI features. (screen call, assistant, passers-by removal, scene detection, celia). In terms of ISP, Huawei proved that by that their auto mode is superior to others Night mode even though they use same size and pixel size sensor. (Vivo X50 Pro+ /S20 Ultra).
          In terms of power efficiency, just look at the legendary battery life of Huawei devices. It is made possible by their software (which is super aggressive), Kirin chip, in house tuning, and AI. So if you use Qualcomm, expect Huawei flagships to be much more expensive, battery life not as good, and not much in house tuninh.

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            • 11 Aug 2020

            DrakeX, 10 Aug 2020I was disappointed that the Kirin 990 was using last gen ar... moreRYYB needs more complex colour processing than an RGGB one. It is needed real time or else the viewfinder will look different than the final results.

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              • 11 Aug 2020

              Anonymous, 10 Aug 2020I saw a comparison in YouTube made by a professional Russia... moreLol, it's an different generation chip bro! Why compare an Exynos 990 to Kirin 990? It is an different generation chipset! Think again! Kirin 990 is competing against Exynos 9825 and Snapdragon 855. While the Kirin 990 5G is competing against the 855+. Kirin 1020 will be competing against the 865 and 865+.

              Next time, please read before you even reply. Kirin chips are the only Qualcomm rivals in the android chip department. Exynos and Mediatek are way behind (except for Exynos Single core performance). Kirin chipa are best in AI, power efficiency, 5G and ISP. Qualcomm is best in video decoder, GPU, and CPU.

              Next time, please be fair and compare generation to generation, not the other one with a generation ahead, think again bro.

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                • 11 Aug 2020

                I hope Trump will give Qualcomm the middle finger. This is another money grubbing corporation that deserves no special treatment.

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                  • Anonymous
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                  • 11 Aug 2020

                  dude111, 10 Aug 2020You want a monopoly? Because that's how you get a(n... moreYou want dictatorships? Because that's how you prevent them.

                    LG Superfan, 10 Aug 2020I doubt those will be flagship and still how long will stoc... moreProbably would only last until the middle of next year. Most will be midrangers but they are rumored to be using the dimensity 1000+ on the Honor v40 series and Mediatek's new 5nm chip for the p series.

                      Aierlan, 10 Aug 2020Apparently they have signed a deal with Mediatek to supply ... moreI doubt those will be flagship and still how long will stock last?

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 10 Aug 2020

                        Anonymous, 10 Aug 2020I’m wondering what Qualcomm going to do if one plus/Oppo (o... moreNot gonna happen. Even if they do they can't beat Snapdragon. Only Snapdragon chips can beat or at least compete with Apple's own processors.

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                          • 10 Aug 2020

                          galaxya71user, 10 Aug 2020They've abandoned that idea. https://m.gsmarena.com/x... moreBut one plus/Oppo actually announced that they’re going to fabricate there own Soc

                          https://www.archyde.com/oneplus-realme-and-oppo-will-create-a-soc-that-will-make-them-independent-of-qualcomm/

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                            • Anonymous
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                            • 10 Aug 2020

                            BoobletSlayer, 10 Aug 2020AMD and Samsung may be partnering for next years Exynos chi... moreonly gpu cpu still exynos/arm.

                              AnonD-896879, 10 Aug 2020Xiaomi will work in the future on their own chips called SurgeThey've abandoned that idea.
                              https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_seems_to_have_abandoned_work_on_its_custom_chipsets-news-42115.php

                                You want a monopoly?

                                Because that's how you get a(n even bigger) monopoly.

                                  The future of other companies is also uncertain, may as well go US free and ignore the crazy ones.

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                                    • 10 Aug 2020

                                    AnonD-909757, 10 Aug 2020Totally agree, though I would love for AMD to get into that... moreAMD and Samsung may be partnering for next years Exynos chips which are supposedly way faster than their Snapdragon counterparts.

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                                      • 10 Aug 2020

                                      Anonymous, 10 Aug 2020I’m wondering what Qualcomm going to do if one plus/Oppo (o... moreXiaomi will work in the future on their own chips called Surge

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                                        • 10 Aug 2020

                                        Tanase Adrian, 10 Aug 2020if i were huawei, i would go with mediatek, they make much ... moreAnd at the same time thwy can use huawei's experts to make the chips better and more power efficient

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