Huawei Mate 40 announcement event officially scheduled for October 22
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- 11 Oct 2020
AnonD-754814, 11 Oct 2020Why are they choosing 108MP camera ? They're doing gr... more108MP is highly unlikely or at least they will use a custom sensor with different filter layout from the ones that are already on the market.
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Why are they choosing 108MP camera ?
They're doing great with their 50MP.
The only drawback of that sensor is RYYB color filter which is also it's advantage.
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- 11 Oct 2020
Im going to buy this huawei mate 40 pro to remind me of covid-19 and US ban and surpassed apple sales. It will be my first premium phone from huawei since i already had LG and samsung. No apple yet. They are so behind in mobile technology already. I mean processor and camera sure, but everything else.. Nah. So yeah when my mate 40 pro dies, im going to put it on a frame. 😋
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- 11 Oct 2020
Imperator Neubaticus, 11 Oct 2020Their cameras aren't even exceptional anymore as many ... moreHow many other vendors have an auto mode that is better than their night mode? How many have 10x periscope optical zoom? Their cameras are exceptional.
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Imperator Neubaticus, 11 Oct 2020Their cameras aren't even exceptional anymore as many ... moreThe advantage they have for UWA camera in terms of image quality is not quite "minuscule", though. Not to mention that Mate 40 Pro will have improved software processing over P40 Pro to pull ahead of the competition once again. Others caught up, yes, but only for a short period of time.
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Anonymous, 11 Oct 2020Apple is still stuck at 60hz, no one else has a vibrating s... moreTheir cameras aren't even exceptional anymore as many other oems have caught up. If you consider minuscule advantages that aren't even noticeable as "exceptional" then you're out of touch with practical reality.
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Dometalican, 11 Oct 2020That's fine. That's the price of the P40 Pro+ and... moreApple is still stuck at 60hz, no one else has a vibrating screen to get rid of the top earpiece and almost all flagships have no headphone jack. Huawei flagships demand a premium for cutting edge tech and exceptional cameras.
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- 11 Oct 2020
AnonD-909757, 10 Oct 2020So, cursed edge display and double puke holes, the two wors... moreWhile I agree that the pill design is ugly, they need something to accomodate for a selfie camera AND a ToF sensor for secure facial recognition. They already ditched the notch design and I'm sure BOE still doesn't have a technology for under-display FFC, the pill is their only way to go at this point (I prefer a notch over any sorts of punch hole/pill designs though).
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- 11 Oct 2020
HuaW3I Suxs, 11 Oct 2020Be prepared to pay more of €1,400 like in the P40 series ;)Right, your user name checks out.
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- 11 Oct 2020
iOS Never Again, 10 Oct 202016-1 binning is a gimmick. The quality isn't there. To... moreWhile it's disadvantageous if you like shooting in pro mode and edit RAW files (Since the actual colour resolution is very low), in auto the drop in quality are negligible as it uses some neat software tricks to quadruple the resolution, and on top of that it comes with some standout features like very high SNR and ultra slow motion. It's a CINE camera so designed in a way that it's better suited for video recording, and if they are ditching 16-1 binning then that would also mean they are saying goodbye to 1920fps recording.
www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Mate-40-and-Mate-40-Pro-specs-and-screen-protectors-leaked-prices-for-the-Mate-40-Pro-allegedly-starting-from-5-999-yuan-US-863.487471.0.html
One leaker pointed out that the UWA camera will be 80MP. It makes more sense than 108MP rumours that flew around the internet a while ago, considering Huawei always uses custom Sony sensors for their higher end offerings.
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- 11 Oct 2020
iOS Never Again, 10 Oct 202016-1 binning is a gimmick. The quality isn't there. To... moreWhile it's disadvantageous if you like shooting in pro mode and edit RAW files (Since the actual colour resolution is very low), in auto the drop in quality are negligible as it uses some neat software tricks to quadruple the resolution, and on top of that it comes with some standout features like very high SNR and ultra slow motion. It's a CINE camera so designed in a way that it's better suited for video recording, and if they are ditching 16-1 binning then that would also mean they are saying goodbye to 1920fps recording.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Mate-40-and-Mate-40-Pro-specs-and-screen-protectors-leaked-prices-for-the-Mate-40-Pro-allegedly-starting-from-5-999-yuan-US-863.487471.0.html
One leaker pointed out that the UWA camera will be 80MP. It makes more sense than 108MP rumours that flew around the internet a while ago, considering Huawei always uses custom Sony sensors for their higher end offerings.
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HuaW3I Suxs, 11 Oct 2020Be prepared to pay more of €1,400 like in the P40 series ;)That's fine. That's the price of the P40 Pro+ and, news flash, with a display that's only 90Hz, SINGLE speaker and no headphone jack, it's not worth that price. Huawei does what I posted, that would be so much better.
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- 11 Oct 2020
The phones are likely to be more expensive than they would have been if there were no problems with chip supply. Buying only 8-10 million kirin 9000 series chips is going to be a lot more expensive than bulk ordering say 40-50 million (a guess to what they'd normally need). Unfortunately current Huawei/Honor phones (especially ones with Kirin chips) have also gone up in price in China due to lack of chips and stock which is making them less competitive in terms of price to performance value. Phones that were previously available for 10-20% below their msrp price have gone back to the official msrp in some cases
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AnonD-909757, 10 Oct 2020Well, if the brand just had a bad sell period, I would agre... moreYeah, agree that there is a significant risk of their smartphone division disappearing and it most likely will if the current rules don't change and chip suppliers don't get exemptions from the US government. However, the company itself is unlikely to disappear in the short term due to their other products and non-consumer divison
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Dometalican, 10 Oct 2020I might be in the minority but I want the Pro+ to be absolu... moreBe prepared to pay more of €1,400 like in the P40 series ;)
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Anonymous, 10 Oct 2020Uncle LongPost, can you explain whether LIDAR is gimmick or not? That's a really complicated subject, not only LiDAR isn't a single thing but many potential ways to gather depth data :
*Flash LiDAR (ToF) who use a kinda normal sensor and flash a wide laser or LED and measure in a per pixels way the time it took, transforming the image itself into a depth map.
*ToF dot LiDAR who project a serie of dots and measure the time the light for each of the dots take to measure distance, in which case the depth resolution depend on the number of dots and the sensor resolution make the precision of those measurements.
*Structured Light LiDAR where you project a certain pattern, dots, lines, circles, grids, etc, and measure how each of those get deformed by the object's surface, allowing to tell the distance of each of those, the depth resolution depend on the pattern and its characteristics (number of lines, of dots, how many and how small is the grid, etc) while the sensor make the precision of those measurements.
*There are also regular camera whose images are feed through AI that can get depth from 2D images.
Don't confuse the names :
*ToF = Time of Flight, which simply mean using how much time light (it can be many other things than light, but Smartphones usually use infrared light) take to travel from the source, to the object, and back to the sensor, allowing to get distance from this.
Not necessarily only for depth data as laser rangefinder (which include laser autofocus) if a ToF who don't return depth data but only a single point distance.
*LiDAR = Using light (most often lasers, but not necessarily only lasers) regardless if it is ToF or using special shapes to gather distance and therefor making a depth map.
*Depth sensor = Any sensor that give you depth data, regardless if it is LiDAR (so using light) or not, though I am convinced the name only refer to sensor already capable of giving depth data without outside help from their RAW data, so Laser Scanner with rotating head used for professional street/room/terrain mapping by themselves can be sensor, but the ToF rangefinder they use isn't, same if you use two camera for doing stereoscopy 3D.
*Depth camera = Any camera used for gathering depth data, regardless if it is one of the two used for 3D stereo, rangefinder, full LiDAR, or a regular camera who use AI to compute depth.
So ToF and LiDAR aren't interchangeable terms and not necessarily the same thing but not necessarily different either and most of the time both are Depth Sensor, it is like saying "vehicles", "cars", "motorcycle", "ground vehicle", "electric vehicle/petrol vehicle".
Anyway, each LiDAR implementation have their pros and cons.
For industrial applications, like scanning a certain object, a room, a street, most of those are good enough, same for simple augmented/mixed reality where you want a character to walk on a table and jump onto the couch for example.
But when you want to use depth sensing technology for computational photography or for more precise AR/XR applications, you need a much higher depth map resolution to make things really efficient, and the only way to go is Flash LiDAR who can offer a much higher depth map resolution than others as the pixels themselves make it rather than the number of points/lines, etc.
Flash LiDAR is also the one requiring the least amount of computing power to be used as it RAW data are almost already depth data while point projectors need a minimum of computing to identify each points and compute its distance from the timing data.
Flash LiDAR have a potential to be easily made at 12Mp or above, and with such resolution, all applications for photography or AR/XR can benefit from this.
For exemple, when doing Portrait, phones without depth sensors basically need to compute what exactly is part of the person and what objects are closer, same with the typical low resolution (2Mp or less) depth sensors who require computation to detect edges, which don't always work as intended, which is why there are shots with the tips of the hairs being blurred, because the algorithms have failed to identify them as being close and thing those are part of the background.
While a 12Mp Flash LiDAR (since most camera are binned down to 12Mp anyway) would allow a pixel to pixel precision, making this not possible, it would allow much impressive AR/XR content too and many photography and video real time and post production effects that aren't possible right now because a 2Mp depth sensor don't give a precise enough depth map and scaling it up with AI would be really ressource intensive.
So, it is still better to have one of small resolution than none, but it doesn't do much with current implementations.
In the future, from a single regular camera, AI would be good enough to make excellent depth map and scale up low resolution depth sensor data, and even there a higher resolution sensor would still be better, but for now, they are "kinda useful"/"not totally useless", but it also heavily depend on the use and of all the AI and other softwares that use its data.
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- 10 Oct 2020
Dometalican, 10 Oct 2020Hence why I posted what I posted. I want Huawei to take tha... moreThis isn't even about risks, but about diversity, making a 7" smartphone with a 1" display is totally possible and would be risky but basically useless as I don't think anyone would ever have any reasons for such device (well, I can still find scenario where it can be useful though), but making different designs with other features that peoples do want, despite those peoples not being the majority, that is great as it is for diversity sake and limited risks, as we know there are peoples wanting those, pop up camera for exemple are quite popular.
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Daniel, 10 Oct 2020" when your phone is disappearing " do you read w... moreWell, if the brand just had a bad sell period, I would agree, but with the USA basically pushing toward banning everything they can about Huawei, having caused them to loose many markets, suppliers and other attempts at forcing them out with as much ways as possible, I wouldn't be so sure that Huawei could survive, I am not saying they won't survive, but there are also real chances that they are disappearing.
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- 10 Oct 2020
AnonD-909757, 10 Oct 2020So, cursed edge display and double puke holes, the two wors... moreUncle LongPost, can you explain whether LIDAR is gimmick or not?
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AnonD-909757, 10 Oct 2020So, cursed edge display and double puke holes, the two wors... moreHence why I posted what I posted. I want Huawei to take that risk at least with the Pro+