Samsung Galaxy S22 won't be getting an under-display selfie camera

07 June 2021
Quality and yield issues are to blame.

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Mediatek sux, 07 Jun 2021Do you not see the camera icon in the status bar? Its been ... moreNever seen it on any of my phones, including multiple old Sony, my OnePlus 6t, Poco F2 Pro (Xiaomi eu), my GF's Redmi Note 9, or old Redmi Note 5, my two Logicom tablet, my Samsung Tab A 2019 (Lineage OS), my older Nokia 6, nor any other phones I've ever seen.

The only comparable features I have is my Antivirus on my PC (where I don't have any webcam anyway).

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    MattPickle, 07 Jun 2021And you think pop ups aren't costly? As well as imprac... moreWhich is exactly why the cheapest phones has pop up camera.
    Poco F2 Pro/K30 Pro, part of the cheapest phones with the SD865, same for the Mi 9T Pro/K20 Pro with the SD855.
    Or phones like the Honor 9x, Huawei P Smart Z, Huawei Enjoy 10 Plus, Huawei Y9s, Elephone PX, Motorola One Hyper, etc...
    The Poco F2 Pro is IP53 Rated, so water resistance isn't gone, and could be improved to be IP68 compatible in fact.
    The Poco F2 Pro has a pop up, a 3.5mm Jack, a MASSIVE cooling chamber (the biggest of all phones when it was released), quad camera, IR blaster, and it still has one of the best body volume to battery capacity of all phones, many phones with much fewer features and with similar body dimensions don't have as much.

    I made the maths here to prove it :
    https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-48898.php#2301010

      AnonD-909757, 07 Jun 2021Ah, yes, which is exactly why front camera spying has gone ... moreDo you not see the camera icon in the status bar? Its been a thing since or p or so. I have it on my stock cam, gcam, snapchat and whatsapp. Oneplus 7 stock 11.

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        Mediatek sux, 07 Jun 2021Android gives you a notification when a camera is in use. A... moreAh, yes, which is exactly why front camera spying has gone from theory to proven reality when we realized that, once the first phones with pop up appeared, the camera was poping up "randomly".

        Last time I opened Snapchat, my pop up did pop and no notifications was to be seen.

        I've never ever seen of heard off this on Android, nor on my vanilla OnePlus 6t or my Rooted Poco F2 Pro.
        I just double checked right now, and indeed, no notifications what so ever.

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          Anonymous, 07 Jun 2021yeah exactly , I think he has an iPhone with a big notch , ... moreWhich is funny, because I have a Poco F2 Pro.

            AnonD-909757, 07 Jun 2021The same way, a false sense of security is worse than no se... moreAndroid gives you a notification when a camera is in use. And you cant even block it. Unless you grant some app root permissions to remove it or something it'll always be there.

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              AnonD-940827, 07 Jun 2021S7 unlocks faster than s21. Even though it's android 1... moreBecause it is much easier to handle capacitive data than ultrasonic data, the second is more complex, but also more secure.
              Again, Samsung isn't the best example, they just improved their camera, it is far, far really far from the peak if this tech, and here it is more a question of data handling than the tech itself, with a dedicated chip it would do wonders.
              We may be using 10% to 15% of the potential of this tech which can literally scan veins and automatically reject protective glass and thin gloves if it was properly done.

              And the Meizu 18 has an ultrasonic FPS too, and it is fast as it can be :
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62vfZ4qiOnk

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                walkman8, 07 Jun 2021...and one more cracked screen to worry about Still better than a hole or a camera that give you potato quality, and I prefer to worry about a second display that can perfectly be protected by a special case with a transparent back, than worrying about my privacy and all the issues that comes with the lack of it.

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                  Bigmeme, 07 Jun 2021But what about video calls?Who cares about video calls?
                  It ain't as common as you think, and there are much better than a phone for this.

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                    MasEnha, 07 Jun 2021How do you zoom your partner when do video call then?What about those who DON'T do video call?
                    What about mirrors :
                    https://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/OneMoreFace-3.jpg
                    Add-ons cameras :
                    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076SHC6RN/
                    Or the fact that a tablet or a laptop is much better for video calls anyways?

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                      AnonD-909757, 07 Jun 2021And the funny part is that the optical underdisplay camera ... moreS7 unlocks faster than s21. Even though it's android 10 vs 11. Yes, android 10 is ported to the s7.

                      Asus flip is actually the best option to use. Great camera position, and great camera for back and front shooting/filming.

                      Btw, even S10e unlock faster because of the physical button.

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                        Anonymous, 07 Jun 2021Bezels are awful. We need a full screen device without any ... moreBezels aren't awful, the Nubia Red Magics, Asus RoG phones, Xiaomi Black Shark, latest Sony Xperia 1 & 5 Mk3, Meizu 16 and others have proven it many times.
                        And it already exists, it is the pop-up camera, which isn't actually fragile.
                        Same with the Nubia Z20.

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                          Anonymous, 07 Jun 2021Could you please explain how this endangers privacy sir?The same way, a false sense of security is worse than no security at all (and took many lives), it creates a false sense of privacy as we don't know the camera, and the misconception that "it can't see you if the pixels are actives" which is totally wrong doesn't help.
                          Some even think that a VPN shield them from their phone camera spying, while it clearly doesn't do anything against local (software or hardware) threats.

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                            Aldwin123, 07 Jun 2021It works but not mature enough for Samsung to put it to the... more"It works"
                            Square wheels also work.
                            It isn't because we could that we should, regardless how mature square wheels becomes, it won't ever be a good idea, and the underdisplay camera that literally look through the display is the exact same thing.
                            Sure, you can make it works :
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMXkNq93hBk
                            But is it really worth it?
                            Not everything can be improved to perfections, many things have physical limits, and the underdisplay camera has so many cons, it ain't worth it.

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                              AnonD-940827, 07 Jun 2021Who was so stupid to expect that? Under display fingerprint... moreAnd the funny part is that the optical underdisplay camera is by far the worst of the 3, the capacitive and ultrasonic are much better, yet people didn't get the clue about camera under a display being a poor idea.
                              The same way Samsung poorly implemented their ultrasonic FPS and everyone blamed the tech itself, now they have proven with the S21 that the tech is actually THE best, but we still see only optical ones everywhere...
                              The exact same thing is true for every superior alternatives to the underdisplay camera, killed by people who talk about stuff they don't have any clues about.
                              The truth is the underdisplay camera tech is a dead end and everyone in the tech industry known it, and there could already have been alternatives, like pop up improved to be waterproof (not water-resistant, real waterproof), or one of the bazillion display/camera clever ideas like Samsung own patent :
                              https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-under-display-camera-phone-1188611/

                              But people are so mind locked to underdisplay camera that see through the display that those much better alternatives archiving the same goal of giving a 100% uninterrupted and bezelless display won't even be a thing despite being all cheaper, having no picture quality degradation, not having a poor quality spot on the display, and being privacy-friendly.

                              Heck SpaceX spend less time between the SN1 to the successful landing of the SN15 than the whole smartphone industry (who is worth much more) successfully doing their supposedly end goal of putting a camera behind a display.
                              How blind can someone be to not realize it ain't worth it?

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                                Anonymous, 07 Jun 2021It's no different to the on-display selfie in terms of... moreIt is totally different, it gives a false sense of privacy which is even worse than no front camera related privacy at all.
                                Many say that "it can't see you unless the pixels are turned off" which is totally false.

                                And if I hate it so much, it i mainly for one reason, because everyone wants it to be THE only alternative.
                                I don't care if there are underdisplay cameras, good for those who want it, but certainly don't want this to be THE ONLY available option.

                                Pop up cameras, bezels and no front camera are much better in every aspect and have the same "display embellishment" effect compared to notches and holes, except that underdisplay camera degrade the display quality above them.

                                The only variant I find acceptable is the "disappearing camera" :
                                https://www.gsmarena.com/googles_first_foldable_could_have_a_disappearing_underdisplay_camera-news-49223.php
                                https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-under-display-camera-phone-1188611/

                                  And you think pop ups aren't costly? As well as impractical? Having a motor inside there does cost a bit more than regular notches, plus water resistance is gone and they take space inside the phone, which means less room for components and slightly smaller battery.

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                                    my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

                                      Samsung must be worried of the additional cost to the S22 models with the under display camera offer,as the back cameras have already added to the cost of the phone

                                        Anonymous, 07 Jun 2021Because a brand had to suffer. Like Apple, Samsung tends to... moreSo you're saying that Apple and Samsung are incapable of innovation and just copy smaller companies? Wow that is incredible and here's me thinking that they charge such ridiculous prices because they invest so much in research and development lol.

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