Huawei's HarmonyOS already has 134,000 apps, over 4 million developers have signed on
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- 12 Jun 2021
JohnNy L, 12 Jun 20214 Mil Devlopers!! Isnt that very high and impressive?? Wow!!Ikr that's great I hope they can get back into the game but sadly there alot of idiots here which literally saying harmonyos is android. Obviously it is similar to android but just because it also is based on Linux kernel does not mean it's ANDROID like huawei cant develop a whole new os like apple it will take them time and the made a new os cuz android is pretty much useless for them unless they get Google back
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- Anonymous
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- 12 Jun 2021
[deleted post]Duh. And you will continue to see articles like that coming out of the US media because they still think something like that is an issue.
China’s censorship would never allow their media to publish something like that. Heck, you can’t even look up certain things in China without getting in trouble. A certain “T Square” is a good example.
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- 12 Jun 2021
AnonD-558092, 12 Jun 2021So you have not read their investigation as it contradicted... moreAren't you same guy who stated that UI (EMUI) was OS (Android)? Sorry, no credibility whatever you say next.
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- 12 Jun 2021
Harmony OS is an optimized version of Android 10 AOSP.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/huaweis-harmonyos-will-rollout-to-100-android-models-over-the-next-year/?comments=1
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/harmonyos-hands-on-huaweis-android-killer-is-just-android/
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- 12 Jun 2021
Is there a programmer or specialist who can clarify if Harmony OS is an operating system or is it a redesign of Android? because apparently marketing is replacing the technical and it is not fair by intellectual principle and by the other true operating systems that do have their own programming languages, thanks for the clarification.
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- Anonymous
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- 12 Jun 2021
Anonymous, 12 Jun 2021Pretty much this. I’m not sure why the people here get sho... moreWhat practices are you talking about? You believe US accusations of spying that's never been proven?
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- 12 Jun 2021
jango, 11 Jun 2021Yeah HarmonyOs is basically Android for now, i think Huawei... moreNope, the system is complete, it just lacks native apps. It can run both Android apps and Harmony OS native apps. The latter are also available to IoT devices on the pure version of Harmony OS.
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- 12 Jun 2021
Xu Shuang, 12 Jun 2021The investigation is so close to the truth, but somehow avo... moreYou missed the bit where the SDK makes Android apps, not LiteOS apps that also works with HarmonyOS on phones/tablets. Please try to read the whole article, you'll find it quite enlightening.
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AnonD-558092, 12 Jun 2021So you have not read their investigation as it contradicted... moreThe investigation is so close to the truth, but somehow avoided addressing it.
"The OpenHarmony repo uses Huawei's LiteOS IoT microkernel, and the apps in the repo are not Android apps."
These apps, in a superior architecture, are available to Harmony OS on phones, but not Android.
How stupid are these investigators!
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- 12 Jun 2021
Can anyone make a detailed investigation to prove that HarmonyOS is currently running on microkernel? Or they just got the microkernel thing from Huawei marketing or documentation? We know that microkernel exists like on Google Fuchsia, but does not matter if they are not using it. Is it hard to say it is using android forked for now and might use microkernel in the future? It even came from Huawei spokeperson than it uses Linux kernel. You cannot sell phones and tell it is an Android 12 phone when Android 12 is not yet released or installed. The only reason why others try to debunk it is because Huawei have a big claim. Show technical proof instead of playing the race card.
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- Anonymous
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- 12 Jun 2021
Anonymous, 11 Jun 2021There are very good reasons why Huawei is banned from sensi... morePretty much this. I’m not sure why the people here get shocked when Huawei and Chinese companies get called out for their practices. I get that western companies aren’t saints, but turning a blind eye to the atrocities in China is just hypocrisy.
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- 12 Jun 2021
Avon B7, 11 Jun 2021Partners don't have to run HarmonyOS. They only need t... moreCorrect
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- Anonymous
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- 12 Jun 2021
It is scary to trust on something that does live to tell the truth.
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- Anonymous
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- 12 Jun 2021
Black Moon Rising, everytime all IS ALL I can see..very ominous sign for it to be made as a symbol of HarmonyOS .I wonder this is, what it is going to be for future to users of this OS...maybe it isnt going to be that harmonious after all, with China having full history of controversial chinese communist government doings, hackings of activist and suppressing democracy. And considering all the censorship and having what government backed company can do. It is scary crazy not to see this and hard to be trusted.
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- AnonD-558092
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- 12 Jun 2021
Avon B7, 11 Jun 2021ARS didn't 'investigate' anything. It poked ... moreSo you have not read their investigation as it contradicted your idea, I see. A shame, as if you had bothered, you would have known that they did read the official documentation. Also, it's not "different kernels for different needs". It's "different OSes for different devices". Anything IoT uses Huawei's old LiteOS. Everything that was running on Android still runs on Android.
Please have a thorough read before attempting to debunk, you have more chances to find an actual argument that way: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/harmonyos-hands-on-huaweis-android-killer-is-just-android/
Also have a read there: https://www.xda-developers.com/harmony-os-2-0-initial-version-based-on-android
Here's an excerpt you will surely find of interest:
" I built a sample app with Huawei's SDK, hoping to see an "App pack." It spit out a .hap (HarmonyOS Ability Packages) file, which is apparently part of an "App Pack." Great! Now, Android .apks are just standard .zip files with a new extension, and changing the extension to .zip will let you unzip an app and preliminarily poke around in it. What happens if you try this trick with a .hap file? It unzips! And it's full of Android code. All the Android decompile tools work, too, because HarmonyOS is Android. HarmonyOS apps made in the SDK target Android API 29, aka Android 10."
"The OpenHarmony repo uses Huawei's LiteOS IoT microkernel, and the apps in the repo are not Android apps."
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- 11 Jun 2021
AnonD-558092, 11 Jun 2021It would be nice if you could give us the information that ... moreARS didn't 'investigate' anything. It poked around some files it managed to get access to a drew conclusions from that.
If they had investigated even a little by, for example, reading through the HarmonyOS 1.0 documentation, or reading through Huawei briefings to the media or watching the HarmonyOS 1 & 2 HDC keynotes (simultaneous translation into English included), they would have known that HarmonyOS was a multi-kernel system from day one with a kernel abstraction layer. They would have known that the projected future of HarmonyOS was the HarmonyOS kernel sitting below an external kernel. That there would be zero root access. That there were more APIs than on Android. They would have known about the distributed file system and distributed security. They would have known about the new simplified networking setup. They would have heard the head of Huawei's HarmonyOS system development unit describe a scenario whereby a domestic router coming under external attack would be able to draw on the resources of other nearby devices to help deter the attack. He would have known that you could record yourself working out and have the health info from your watch overlaid on the video.
He would also have known that Huawei made a big deal out of requiring developers who sign up provide real ID as a security measure and make rogue individuals liable for any harm caused by their apps. He would have known that the passport requirement was not an absolute requirement. It was an option to choose from.
He would have known that in December last year it was reported that HarmonyOS 2 for phones would probably be based on AOSP.
I don't think that piece can be called 'investigative'.
As for the system itself, that is where the simplicity lies. At first, kernels for different devices with different needs. Earbuds and Fridges do not need much. Hence my comment on Android not being used on the fridge. However, the comment I was replying too claimed that HarmonyOS was Android. That isn't true.
From a consumer perspective, it is a masterstroke. 'HarmonyOS' and that's it. Simple.
From a developer perspective, simplicity again. No one should have problems writing for the platform, especially as one of the stated goals was to have apps deployed over various devices with very little effort. Even resolving one of the biggest headaches in the automotive industry. Landscape and portrait UI aspects.
Exactly 'how' the devices interconnect (via widgets or whatever) really isn't relevant. Each device falls into a hierarchy with varying levels of requirements.
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- 11 Jun 2021
Tonberry, 11 Jun 2021It's nice to see some new competition to Google and Ap... moreYes it is possible as the OS has an Android compatibility layer that all those know-it-alls call Android copycat somehow....
They even managed to install Google Play Services with some apks, so no problem at all
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- Anonymous
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- 11 Jun 2021
There are very good reasons why Huawei is banned from sensitive segments in the West and other parts of the world.
Why are comments pointing out that China has an authoritarian regime that uses some Chinese companies for geopolitical gains getting deleted?
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- 11 Jun 2021
Avon B7, 11 Jun 2021That pseudo investigative piece is flawed and has been note... moreIt would be nice if you could give us the information that has led you to reach those conclusions, besides showing us a fridge. Samsung has already shown the world that we could easily integrate a full OS inside a fridge with the Family Hub (for little actual benefit). Is that fridge on the full HarmonyOS or is using a subset of components, as one would with Windows CE/Embedded, or is it running a completely different OS branded as Harmony since it could "integrate" with other devices in a similar fashion as would Tizen and Android/OneUI? That link does not answer that, nor does it debunk Ars Technica's investigation.