Samsung Galaxy S22 and S22+ to have 50MP main cam, proper telephoto lens

23 June 2021
In the S20 and S21 generations a 64 MP cam was used for high res shots, zooming and 8K video, but things could be very different next year.

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  • 12 Sep 2021

Darknoor, 21 Jul 2021As long as they use an SD chip and not force another Exynos... morePleeeease ad sd card option

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    • k7U
    • 24 Jul 2021

    Darknoor, 21 Jul 2021As long as they use an SD chip and not force another Exynos... moreThey are. Sorry

      As long as they use an SD chip and not force another Exynos up our noses they should be fine.

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        • 16 Jul 2021

        Anonymous, 23 Jun 2021Where would Samsung find space inside the phone to have all... moreNewer phones are using prisms to change the angle of light so that they can line up the lenses along the long edge of the phone instead of the depth. One downside to this was that you needed the telephoto sensor attached at a right angle, increasing phone thickness. Apple is now using TWO prisms so that they can place the sensor at a 180 degree to the motherboard. This would probably be the norm of the top end phones in the coming years. See below:
        https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-patents-a-dual-prism-periscope-zoom-camera-for-future-iPhones.550940.0.html

          oh my god it's a miracle.

          SAMSUNG? Upgrading their cameras?!?!?

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            • yAK
            • 26 Jun 2021

            All I want is less preinstalled Samsung bloatware, a good implementation of the new stock UI in Android 12, better performance with the new AMD GPU (including temperature).

            For both Samsung and Apple, the next step for improving cameras is to steal GoPro's market share.

              Nick Tegrataker, 25 Jun 2021Given a relatively small sensor size (or pixel size to be m... more"Given a relatively small sensor size (or pixel size to be more accurate) of those mobile phone sensors, even if we take the increase in read noise from binning process into consideration, shot noise will still be the dominant contribution factor to the noise contained in resulting images. So while I can definitely see that you're being correct about 1), it doesn't exactly prove 2) to be true"

              I never said it was vastly better, I just it has more advantages than binning even if it's minimal.

              "The more "accurate" colour part also needs a proper explanation and as well as citations - because in theory a QB sensor and an equally sized regular Bayer sensor have an equivalent colour reproduction unless the pixel pitch is so tiny on the former that it is actually smaller than the wavelengths of some of the visible lights starts preventing them from entering the cells in an efficient manner (like Samsung's latest 50MP sensors with ridiculously small 0.64µm pixels)"

              I guess you're right. If the binned pixels are 1µm or higher, then it shouldn't cause too many problems with colour accuracy. I was thinking in my head about the smaller pixel sizes like Scamsung's 0.64µm sensor. Even sensors with 0.7µm and 0.8µm are at risk of crosstalk if it's a 108mp sensor.

              "Being able to provide up to 2x lossless digital zoom (when utilised properly) - I would say that's a huge advantage since smartphone camera is fundamentally limited when it comes to zooming capability due to restriction in thickness and internal spaces available."

              I would mention that downsampling like the N808 also provides lossless digital zoom, but you do make a point when it comes to smartphone thickness and internal space available and that would be an another advantage for QB.

                SuuperBaka, 24 Jun 2021I would say that native 2.4 µm pixels are indeed better tha... moreGiven a relatively small sensor size (or pixel size to be more accurate) of those mobile phone sensors, even if we take the increase in read noise from binning process into consideration, shot noise will still be the dominant contribution factor to the noise contained in resulting images. So while I can definitely see that you're being correct about 1), it doesn't exactly prove 2) to be true - if anything, the difference in SNR would be marginal at best. The more "accurate" colour part also needs a proper explanation and as well as citations - because in theory a QB sensor and an equally sized regular Bayer sensor have an equivalent colour reproduction, unless the pixel pitch is so tiny on the former that it is actually smaller than the wavelengths of some of visible lights starts preventing them from entering the cells in an efficient manner (like Samsung's latest 50MP sensors with ridiculously small 0.64µm pixels)

                "it really doesn't provide that much benefit other than maybe increased sharpness"
                Being able to provide up to 2x lossless digital zoom (when utilised properly) - I would say that's a huge advantage since smartphone camera is fundamentally limited when it comes to zooming capability due to restriction in thickness and internal spaces available.

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                  • 25 Jun 2021

                  maybe they will also bring qhd and microsd back ... jack plugin i don't even dream!

                    Nick Tegrataker, 24 Jun 2021"We all know that actual 2.8 µm pixels are vastly bett... moreAlso, I just noticed, but in the reply when I was talking about colours being less accurate, I meant the binned pixels, not the native ones.

                      Nick Tegrataker, 24 Jun 2021"We all know that actual 2.8 µm pixels are vastly bett... moreI would say that native 2.4 µm pixels are indeed better than binned 2.4 µm pixels. There is less readout noise in the native pixels when compared to the binned pixels. The colours are also less accurate.

                      Pixel-binning is more of a marketing scheme to attract customers, it really doesn't provide that much benefit other than maybe increased sharpness. People are more likely to get a phone with a 108MP camera than a phone with 12MP because to a regular customer:
                      More pixels = better.

                      I wouldn't say vastly better tho, they are close imo.

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                        • 24 Jun 2021

                        Anonymous, 24 Jun 2021Agree. Because Samsung’s hardware (aside from Exynos) and s... moreThermal throttling Exynos starts overheating during basic tasks

                          Anonymous, 24 Jun 2021"Samsung has a large 1/1.12” 50 MP sensor with 1.4 µm ... more"We all know that actual 2.8 µm pixels are vastly better than 2.8 µm pixels obtained through binning"
                          Go ahead and prove that:
                          1. The former is better than the latter
                          2. If 1. is true, the former is VASTLY better

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                            • Anonymous
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                            • 24 Jun 2021

                            nickname optional, 24 Jun 2021What heat from Xiaomi? Xiaomi should match Samsung's u... moreAgree. Because Samsung’s hardware (aside from Exynos) and software are both top-notch.

                              If it doesn't have 3.5mm jack, I'm not interested. A52 has it all and then some, at HALF the price (or less). So unless s22 has it all and then a whole lot of extras on top of it, I see no point in paying more.

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                                • 24 Jun 2021

                                "Samsung has a large 1/1.12” 50 MP sensor with 1.4 µm native pixels, which grow to 2.8 µm with binning." We all know that actual 2.8 µm pixels are vastly better than 2.8 µm pixels obtained through binning. They are not even the same thing.

                                  Anonymous, 23 Jun 2021Samsung finally feeling the heat from Mi. They know the HM... moreWhat heat from Xiaomi? Xiaomi should match Samsung's update policy first. Good hardware is nothing, if the software is mediocre at best.

                                    LOL, 23 Jun 2021No one cares about variety. LG's demise is proof. A... moreLol please, not everyone likes to upgrade their phone each year. So having more variety does help a lot for long term ownership. Heck, even some LG and even Samsung, Huawei, and Motorola phones can be used as pocket computer. People like you is why monopoly practice is still a thing.

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                                      • 24 Jun 2021

                                      Nick Tegrataker, 23 Jun 2021Lol I know you're joking but I hope to god that this w... moreNow I get it.
                                      They are talking about s21 and s21+,not the ultra. So, 50MP is possible but wont be 1/1.1 or even the 1/1.3 sensor. Probably smaller than these sensors and around 1/1.5".

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                                        • Anonymous
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                                        • 24 Jun 2021

                                        Anonymous, 24 Jun 2021If every phone stays the same with little real change why w... moreNo, they don't. They need to provide quality.

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