Sony IMX800 detailed: 1/1.49" sensor with 54MP resolution
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- 02 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 02 Jun 2022Smartphones SoCs usually have a very powerful ISP + NPU com... moreI would like to see hardware accelerated Adobe enhanced details demosaicing chips just as how hardware accelerated h.265 decoding and encoding is much more energy efficient than CPU/GPU decoding.
Still I think it's a tall order for smartphone hardware to do enhanced details, it's something that for the time being can only be done in post.
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- 02 Jun 2022
Hey, can't gsmarena spend some time in the Sony camerasensors and do some comparisons?
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- 02 Jun 2022
Lccy, 01 Jun 2022These machine learning based demosaicing techniques are ver... moreSmartphones SoCs usually have a very powerful ISP + NPU combo to boot and complex image processing algorithms can be hardware accelerated to be performed in a blink of an eye. For instance, Oppo's AI-based RAW noise reduction (which does seem to provide very efficient noise removal at high ISO levels, looking at the samples here) can be run at 40fps on its custom-designed MariSilicon X chip, allowing it to be used during 4K30 video recording as well.
At this point, I'd like to see Oppo or Xiaomi putting their effort into making compact entry-enthusiasts grade mirrorless too, although this is fairly unlikely given the low sales volume of dedicated cameras compared to smartphones in the first place.
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- 02 Jun 2022
You Forget that the Apple camera is also made by Sony.. apple lens,lol.
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- 02 Jun 2022
AnonF-1006353, 01 Jun 2022Sony has another approach: Natural non-oversharpened photog... moreah yes, the realistic card. Seems like every Sony fan always pull this. I don't like the 'fakefruit' either but you seem to have a personal grudge against them or something
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- 02 Jun 2022
you have to suffer, 31 May 2022so sad to see that zte is not available in your country....... moreYou know of any online national retailers I can take advantage of?
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- 02 Jun 2022
Lucas N82, 01 Jun 2022"Apple or Google are the top two companies..." i... moreI know but that's what world wants now you ask somebody which phone take great photos you and a child know the answer.
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- 01 Jun 2022
"There may have been a case of mistaken identity,"
Gsmarena should be honest and just admit that they were reporting about a totally wrong fantasy rumor from an unreliable source.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Anonymous, 01 Jun 2022So the Huawei P40 pro from early 2020 has a bigger main sen... moreCould say the same about nokia 808 from 2012. It's sensor is bigger than Huawei P40 pro by roughly 15%. Sensor sizes from top phones only differ from Huawei p40 pro by less than 10% in size (even those that came out in 2020, e.g. s20 ultra, note20 ultra). Calculated using size (real size - which is supposed to differ more) vs the one dimensional value given for sensor sizes.
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- 01 Jun 2022
So the Huawei P40 pro from early 2020 has a bigger main sensor still than current top end phones/newest of top end sensors. Also if I'm correct P40 pro and honor magic are only ones with proper face Recognition/biometrics unlock on android still and Huawei have the best bokeh effects still with the actual TOF 3d sensor on the back! P40 pro plus also had an 8mp 10x periscope telephoto with 8mp 3x telephoto plus a 40mp ultrawide, but only Samsung get praise for their camera set up though. Let's hope Xiaomi with their new partnership with leica can take new steps, we know apple and Samsung won't.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Lccy, 01 Jun 2022The S20 and s21 telecam uses a conventional Bayer filter, h... moreNow this could make sense, thanks. Also explains the slightly better colours, detail and natural rendition of the s20/21 64mp telemodule against the quadbayers in 64mp mode.
But not sure if they all really do sensor shift, they would've advertised this i guess, or thats just like a missed marketing opportunity for all the xiaomis and bbks with 64mp module. But I can imagine they do it on the 108mp realme 8 as it achieved an usable 3x zoom in the review here.
I found the anandtech comparison, well, the 64mp shooters held up quite well and even had a bit more detail than the 24mp Fuji SLR, just a bit less natural (meaning more sharpening and hdr applied, probably).
Longer exposure time is no surprise, that's why it's rather meant for well lit conditions or tripod landscapes e.g.
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- 01 Jun 2022
AnonF-1006353, 01 Jun 2022Sony has another approach: Natural non-oversharpened photog... morebtw don't mistake me for an apple fan lol
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- 01 Jun 2022
AnonF-1006353, 01 Jun 2022You're all getting it wrong. A good product gives you ... moreThe S20 and s21 telecam uses a conventional Bayer filter, hence the higher resolution and increase in detail, but notice the much slower shutter speed due to reduced light.
As for the realme 7 pro, maybe they're doing pixel shift multi shot where the sensor is shifted several times to try and cancel out the effect of the bayer filter, Google do this with the super-res zoom and Vivo.
On anandtech, where they have a 24mp x-t3 for reference, you can compare the 64mp S20 or 21 photo to the x-t3. I'll need to find the link.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Aziz soft tech, 01 Jun 2022Combining great software with these great lenses like Apple... moreSony has another approach: Natural non-oversharpened photography. Realistic colours. Not too much image stacking fakery.
If you want your grass to look like a neon-green mess, or walls with fake detail, like too much paint othem, yellowish tone over white papier and so on, you can always use an iOS phone.
That being said, a computational photography mode for casual users would still be a geat addition for sony phones. But rather like realme or samsung or google does. Not the fakefruit.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Anonymous, 31 May 2022Frame stacking has been used way before Google used it with... moreYou're all getting it wrong. A good product gives you the flexibility to use what you want, depending on the situation and need, and not blocking or advocating against high res modes!
Everyone that isn't completely blind can recognize the fine patterns that the 64mp modes on a realme 7 pro or samsung s21 telecam can reproduce, i don't know how the quadbayer is able to, but, opposed to the "detail enhancer" on the new 50mp s22 series, it's definitely NOT done by AI. See for yourself and scale them all to the same resolution:
https://m.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone3=11089&idCamera1=300721&idCamera2=300744
There clearly IS a resolution advantage if you compare fine textures, lines and texts upclose to the boring, oversharpened, hdr-fakery 12mp modes, which only look "great" from far away or with lowres because of all the oversharpening that is applied.
Most of the newer 50mp ones on the other hand, seem to have problems, producing mosaics instead of fine holes in the realworld review photo samples. Maybe "AI"?
BUT: For lowlight or burst shoots, fast framestacking, nightmode, and whatnot, or just a quick shot, the 12 or 16 mp filtered modes are more efficient and produce better results for these situations. Also, the 50mp sensors seem to do this better than the older 64mp ones.
Still, if I want to shoot a nice calm landscape with most clear fine detail possible (better for doing edits or crops afterwards) the 64mp mode is miles better than the overblown oversharpened neon-coloured lowres mess most flagships produce in their 12mp modes.
108 or 200mp on the other hand, clearly only makes sense for some zoom algorithm or binning down to 27mp which produces marvellous results on a mi 11 for example.
That being said, good optics are required too, sensor size is important, I'd love to have an 1 inch sensor (which actually makes use of the full 1 inch) in a smartphone with 30 to 80mp resolution, good and versatile software, the required thick space can be filled with a 7000mah battery, a real photography oriented phone which still is lacking these days, if we remember the nokia 808 and such.
And in the Fullframe world, thankfully there are options for each usecase: fast 24mp sensors for sports photograohy or lowlight, or 60mp+ for detailed landscape, nightsky long exposures, industrial potography and so on.
So all is important, sensor size, optics, decent resolution, and a good auto-mode/computational photography/AI for casual shooters.
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Aziz soft tech, 01 Jun 2022Combining great software with these great lenses like Apple... more"Apple or Google are the top two companies..."
in fake HDR and software artifacts?
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- 01 Jun 2022
I don't know what's even the point in mentioning these "inch" numbers when they are utterly entirely meaningless numbers that signify what the sensor size would be 100 years ago in a glass tube that was used to make photos back then and they somehow convert this. Why not just mention sensor's capture surface area in square millimeters? It would at least be a meaningful value and not some basically made up number. Remember the 1 inch Sony mega sensor nonsense few weeks ago? Yeah, that...
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- 01 Jun 2022
Combining great software with these great lenses like Apple do better with IOS or google and other companies but the really important thing is software in my opinion Sony is behind in camera software Apple or Google are the top two companies that combine great software with hardware.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 01 Jun 2022"why aren't people moving away from the Bayer Pat... moreIt's the most practical and easiest solution right now, but I'd also argue that it's the most marketable solution because high megapixels sell, when sigma sold their foveon cameras, at first they tried to claim their 4.9mp cameras were equivalent to Bayer cameras with twice the megapixels. In the end they started claiming their cameras had 15mp (3*4.9) and later that their Merrill cameras had 45mp (3*15).
Even if it were possible to squeeze a 3 chip solution using a periscope, because phones rely on computational photography, it's much harder to deal with all the extra data.
I can't edit my previous comment, Adobe enhance details or raw details as it's now known can sometimes produce artifacts such as crosshatch patterns on Sony sensors. I don't know about dxo deepprime, but I believe that's just a Denise technique done at the same time as demosaicing.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 01 Jun 2022Cutting edge ML-based demosaicing algorithms can deal with ... moreThese machine learning based demosaicing techniques are very CPU/GPU intensive and would both take a long time and consume a lot of power. They might work well with patterns their trained to work with such as Siemens stars and text, but often in the real world, the improvement over the raw demosaicing in post isn't necessarily much better.
No doubt I'd like to see Adobe enhance details applied to raw video like in the Nikon z9 but that's not happening.