Sony IMX800 detailed: 1/1.49" sensor with 54MP resolution
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- 01 Jun 2022
TheLastOracle, 01 Jun 2022It's the simplest and most practical, right now yes. B... moreCutting edge ML-based demosaicing algorithms can deal with many issues associated with Bayer CFA, such as aliasing, moire patterns and false colours. Adobe's Enhance Details and DxO's DeepPRIME do a great job at eliminating these artifacts, while the latter also excels at reducing noise while preserving textures. Using AI to "guess" the colour of each pixel from B&W photos might be fun, but in the end, it's not capable of producing pixel-level accurate colors that are anywhere near usable for professional use as of now.
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- 01 Jun 2022
I grabbed the popcorns and start reading comments till end.. interesting. 🤣
Nowadays i observed consumer want quantity over quality, both sensor seems decent for me. Real cameras are still existing lol
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- 01 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 01 Jun 2022"why aren't people moving away from the Bayer Pat... moreIt's the simplest and most practical, right now yes. But it also causes more and aliasing, reduces detail substantially, and causes light loss as well.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 01 Jun 2022"why aren't people moving away from the Bayer Pat... moreEither that, or there is a lack of innovation. Many B&W to colour Algorithms are doing a superb job. It isn't exactly impossible to nearly perfect coloured pics from B&W ones. Plus instead of a ToF sensor they could have a 12MP colour which helps with colour information, and detail merging or something else.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Anonymous, 31 May 20221) it is pointless when it is not bayer
2) also, not ev... morehttps://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idPhone2=10656&idCamera1=300744&idCamera3=300302
Do you really have to triple down on this already-debunked "Phone camera lens can't resolve higher than 8MP" BS that you have been claiming for the last 3 years?
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- 01 Jun 2022
Akashi Seijuro, 31 May 2022Stacking images can only do so much to aid the great disadv... more"Smartphone images that used multi-frame image stacking looked super artificial, as if they were heavily processed in photoshop already upon capturing"
That's because these phones heavily manipulate the image AFTER combining frames (i.e. post processing). Vivo and Google provide an option to output stacked RAW files and the details are rendered in a very natural way.
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- 01 Jun 2022
TheLastOracle, 31 May 2022Sony and Samsung presented papers on Triple Gain sensor. I ... more"why aren't people moving away from the Bayer Pattern?"
Uhh.. obviously because that's the most practical solution we have right now?
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- 01 Jun 2022
Anonymous, 31 May 2022Frame stacking has been used way before Google used it with... moreThe slower readout speed is a nuisance when stacking frames (unless you're using DOL-HDR, where the sensor can start capturing the next frame before the current one has been fully read out), but the biggest contributing factor for the processing time is.. surprise surprise.. the number of pixels being processed. Not only there are more pixels to be stacked, but also the alignment of frames itself has to be more precise too, due to the amount of fine details being captured. Average consumers are not willing to wait for 2-5 seconds just to capture more detailed daylight photos.
"because would not be able to stack like 16 frames of 50MP"
But Mi 10 Ultra can stack 25+ frames of 48MP with a GCam port, apparently :)
"HM3 takes 0.1s to scan when 108MP"
Actually you may never know because Sony was pointing to HM1 in the presentation slide, not the newer HM3. Not to mention HM3 already supports the aforementioned DOL-HDR.
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- 01 Jun 2022
@Marorun lol Your 2020 Samsung phone does Super Slow @720p, not really a feat to brag about. I think you need to look further as my 2018 (yes 2018 and still works perfectly!) Xperia XZ2 has Super Slow @1080p! The Xperia XZ premium in early 2017 has the same specs as your 2020 phone lol
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- 01 Jun 2022
I bet the IMX700 1/1.28 50MP is at least as good and likely better. The latest gen phones with smaller ~1/1.5 sensors don't perform as well as the gen before it.
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- 01 Jun 2022
Meanwhile Sony continues "good tradition" of putting older, underdog camera sensors on their own, severely overpriced Xperia flagship phones....
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- 31 May 2022
S Yu, 31 May 2022You sorely underestimate the capability of machine learning... moreMachine learning on a smartphone is a different world to MIT research computed on a literal supercomputer.
Sticking a poor quality lens Infront of a tiny pixel dense sensor will always produce poor information. Garbage in garbage out. AI can do a lot but we are a long way off from the real time processing required to beat optical physics
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- 31 May 2022
Sony and Samsung presented papers on Triple Gain sensor. I wonder when we will see those in smartphones?
Plus, why aren't people moving away from the Bayer Pattern? When will we use something more advanced than that, especially considering the seemingly limitless possibilities of Smartphone Computational Photography Processing and Algorithns.
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- 31 May 2022
Strange my S20 + can do 4k 60 fps movies ( 64 mp sensor )
It can also do super slow motion at 960 fps ( 720P ) or 1080p 240 fps where iphone max out at 240 fps in 1080p.
Why do you guys lies so much all the time is beyond me...
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- 31 May 2022
As usual, the tech behind and quality of Sony sensors are pretty damn perfect, but I wonder what device will utilize it to the full potential. Considering later development and brands pushing / some giving up on mobile photography, I would not be surprised if Vivos next gen uses this sensor or even better.
More pixels matter to a point, it's not black and white, same way size of the sensor matters, lenses matter big time, especially on a small device etc.
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- 31 May 2022
Kev, 31 May 2022ZTE don't sell here. Which is a real shame because the... moreso sad to see that zte is not available in your country.... they made a decent phone though. axon series was insane
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- 31 May 2022
you have to suffer, 31 May 2022get the zte axon 40. their cameras are coolZTE don't sell here. Which is a real shame because their hardware in their Axon phones are all very cool. Their software is questionable though, seeing how poorly stitched their software is in their gaming phones.
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- 31 May 2022
S Yu, 31 May 2022You sorely underestimate the capability of machine learning... moreThis is what I'm talking about
People severely underestimate computational photography they think smartphones follow the same rules as DSLRs
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- 31 May 2022
IpsDisplay, 31 May 2022You don't know what your talking about diffraction..
... moreFrame stacking has been used way before Google used it with Nexus 6P. Compact cameras already had this tech. You do not need more megapixels for this.
More pixels = slower sensor scan = worse for frame stacking
Go to photography websites and see amount of people making critics on possibilities of full frames with 100MP.
Now read how much they bash phones with 108 and 200MP.
This is why high megapixel mode is not default even for daylight shots. Google blocks the 50 and 48MP modes (wide and periscope) because would not be able to stack like 16 frames of 50MP.
As my example to other user days ago, HM3 takes 0.1s to scan when 108MP is used while 0,033s for 12MP. Gonna stack 12, 15 or 16 frames this way, with 0.1s per frame?