Qualcomm to introduce 12-core ARM-based desktop CPU in 2024

07 November 2022
Apple will have some competition in the field.

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EsseLowNitro, 10 Nov 2022If we are talking about something basic, ARM-based, suited ... moreYes of course smaller use of smaller PSU is also an option. I calculated with the 5W/core (60W summed) CPU performance limit mentioned in the article.
This Qualcomm one looks like a high perf. CPU for sure as the Apple M1 in a notebook works from a 60W PSU, which also should supply the display and all the other components. So this one might actually have more potential in it than just using it for basic office tasks.

On the M1 macbook pro I can run AUTOCAD 2021 under Win11 trough virtual desktop, which is quite heavy use.

    B52, 08 Nov 2022I think efficiency and consumption are the key, especially ... moreIf we are talking about something basic, ARM-based, suited just for office work, wouldn't a smaller PSU be usable in a device like the one you imagined? Could be even integrated in the unit itself to save space and costs ig

      Anonymous, 07 Nov 2022if you are using ios yeah you can follow apple. but its di... moreCore layouts are just core layouts. There's nothing magically special about how Apple takes the best of the 2-4-0 layout in iOS/Mac that any other OS like Android, Linux, Windows or whatever else can't replicate.

      There are two big points in play here, one being about kernel tweaks' optimization (only thing here where "optimization" really applies), with the other one being how apps are executed.

      On the first point... Ever wondered why some phones can have drastically different benchmark scores even when they use a same chip? It's not just how they handle cooling differently, but it also comes down to the kernel and its scaling governors and schedulers and etc.

      You can be sure that, if a company can make a phone at all, they can absolutely make an incredibly well-suited set of tweaks to the kernel their OS is using.

      "Low level" stuff out of the way, the second point is up on the OS itself. The way Android executes apps is weird and complicated compared to other systems, as they let apps be executed directly (sort of, but this is more true than not), while our oddball little green OS friend doesn't, which hurts performance significantly, and even tho Google have been trying to remedy this over the last few years, having a looot of runtime stuff attached to the execution of an app will always be pretty bad.

      Just look at Flatpak apps in Linux distros. Pretty neat tech, but the launch time* of an Flatpak app is always relatively atrocious compared to a native version of the same app.

      *I only know this is true but have no idea in how differently they actually perform tho, but how Android apps are downright CPU-bottlenecked because of their execution environment is kinda well known by now.

        As far as we can deduce, the (TSMC-5nm) Nuvia-100 cores are equal to the Apple Everest (ARMv8 4nm) cores inside the A16 (iPhone 14 Max).

        These cores were due to be released in 2019, but they got delayed, and then the company was acquired in 2020 by Qualcomm. They took their time with the IP and started working late and designing with the Nuvia team. It became apparent that major rework was needed for compatibility with the new ARMv9 protocol in 2021. Qualcomm tried to use the new Nuvia-200 cores in 2022 but were denied certification from ARM for not having a valid licence. They fought this, and will be going to court. (Qualcomm just pay up, you're in the wrong).

        Now its 2023, and the Stock ARM Cortex-X3 is being released. The Nuvia-100 cores seem kind of average at this point. In early-2024, we finally get the next true-node jump by TSMC into 3nm, and we get the first proper architectural jump as well, with the European ARM Teams design of the 2nd-gen ARMv9 cores. Both of which were delayed by 1-2 years due to covid. So in 2024 we will see the Cortex-A730 and the Cortex-X4, which should slightly surpass the Apple Everest and Nuvia-200 cores, so both would be redundant.

        At which point, there is a strong possibility of a MediaTek Kompanio processor release for Ultrabooks that would be highly competitive but affordable. I'm also expecting a new Dimensity chipset which should give Snapdragon some fire under it's buttock. And after all of that, Qualcomm only then wants to release their Nuvia processor? It is going to be a case of too little, too late. They shouldn't have dragged their feet this whole time. They had their own division and staff, and they designed their own cores (Scorpion, Krait, Kryo). Before they fired everyone, they never needed Nuvia. So Qualcomm could have designed some awesome cores and processors for those early Microsoft Surface products, made some developer devices, and shipped millions of ARM-books even before Apple and the M1. But due to mismanagement and incompetence, they didn't even do the bare minimum, and just dragged their feet to the dismay of Microsoft (which is even worse managed and more incompetent).

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          • 09 Nov 2022

          All that is left is for Microsoft to give better compatibility for x64 softwares. They know that people still rely on softwares made for older version of Windows. A retail supermarket nearby my home still use Windows XP as their Point-Of-Sale cash machine. Even my nearest specialist hospital still use Internet Explorer 11 to access their web servers.

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            Anonymous, 08 Nov 2022apple is not soc maker Half true. Yes, apple doesn't make (manufacture) chips but they do design them. The design is then provided to TSMC for production.

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              Anonymous, 07 Nov 2022Qualcomms current Benchmark is APPLE M2 in mackbook Pro ... moreGeekbench is not the only benchmark. There are cinbench, 7zip etc. Geekbench is highly memory speed dependent benchmark.

                Mampara, 08 Nov 2022Can it compete with Intel, AMD and Apple chipsets for laptops?That's the point of having 12 cores.

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                  • 08 Nov 2022

                  Only on Linux but the important is the small cores Intel current have 75% performance of the big to fraction of energy cost, but Apples "Avalanche" m2 have almost 60% higher IPC over Raptor Cove

                    Can it compete with Intel, AMD and Apple chipsets for laptops?

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                      • 08 Nov 2022

                      Bigmeme, 08 Nov 2022Nuvia cores in mobile in 2025?2026

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                        • 08 Nov 2022

                        Anonymous, 08 Nov 2022Yes, but it should be rather unsurprising that a desktop CP... moreSame intel chips are also used for laptops. Not just desktop.

                          Anonymous, 08 Nov 2022Apple cannot compete with snapdragon because Apple dont mad... moreSnapdragon chips are produced by TSMC and Samsung, smart ass

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                            Hamburger, 08 Nov 2022It's going to be a very long wait for Qualcomm to make... moreI think efficiency and consumption are the key, especially for the future.
                            They can make compact, powerful desktop PC-s with passive cooling and about half (or less) of the consumption of other systems.
                            I was always an intel guy, used more Latitudes and Thinkpads (okay, they're not desktops), but an accidental switch to an M1 Macbook PRO opened my eyes. Performance and battery life is stellar and all that comes without burning my laps or listening to infuriating fan noise.

                            Imagine an office with Mac mini -like ARM based windows PCs. 11th gen i3 performance is not even bad and most of those office computers are not even close to that. And they would have a lets say 80W PSU instead of a 350-500W PSU for the same performance. With 50-100 PCs that would make a big difference.

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                              intel for life

                                Nuvia cores in mobile in 2025?

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                                  Anonymous, 07 Nov 2022Qualcomms current Benchmark is APPLE M2 in mackbook Pro ... moreM2 is made hy tsmc not apple

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                                    zodiacfml, 08 Nov 20222024?!🤮 They are no match to Apple, Intel, AMD. They can&#... moreApple cannot compete with snapdragon because Apple dont made own soc

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                                      zodiacfml, 08 Nov 20222024?!🤮 They are no match to Apple, Intel, AMD. They can&#... moreapple is not soc maker

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                                        • 08 Nov 2022

                                        Hamburger, 08 Nov 2022It's going to be a very long wait for Qualcomm to make... moreQualcomm will be using Intel 20A process in 2025 and they signed a deal last year