New EU legislation can bring back user-replaceable batteries
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- Anonymous
- JEP
- 21 Dec 2022
They'd rather make mandatory 10 years of security updates. What use is the phone with replaceable battery if it is updated for less than two years?
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- walkman8
- 3Z5
- 21 Dec 2022
It's like EU is trying to be ostracized by major phone manufacturers. First usb c for everyone (granted,that's only Apple's challenge), now removable batteries (which is literally a challenge for everyone).
Guys, these ideas are great, no doubt, but look at it from socio-economic perspective: what's EU got to offer compared to the rest of the world.
300-400 million potential customers (excluding babies,homeless and extremely poor) vs 6-7 billion potential customers in the rest of the world.
Non-existing industry transfered over to the developing (and successfully thriving) countries. And whatever is left demands tons of benefits, privileges and sky-high salaries.
The strictest and most expensive trade and border policies in the world sans Cuba and North Korea.
EU might have had a negotiating point till early 2000s,but now they're a tiny sore thumb to multi-billion dollar multinational companies who might see EU as too much hassle for too little gains.
If China, India or even USA made that policy, then that would scare the crap out of those tech companies and we'd see some serious changes.
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- Anonymous
- rej
- 21 Dec 2022
YoloBS, 21 Dec 2022Next MicroSD slots , Headphone jack , IR blaster and the la... moremove on already
- YoloBS
- cNh
- 21 Dec 2022
Next MicroSD slots , Headphone jack , IR blaster and the last but not least FM radio .
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- Dometalican
- rb2
- 21 Dec 2022
Daemon Targaryen, 20 Dec 2022It's EU's middle finger to Apple yet again. I lov... moreAre you on the list for Sunbird Messenger? Lol. I'm so hoping that takes off.
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- Anonymous
- U}}
- 21 Dec 2022
agree and disagree...
i worries about fake Chinese batteries that will flood the market
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- Anonymous
- 8pJ
- 21 Dec 2022
Anonymous, 20 Dec 2022This won't solve the battery issues in majority of cas... moreAgreed in the case of phones and tws this litigation will be useless(mostly). But will be game changer in EVs. Since it will open up modes for repairing of those and can expect good reliable battery brands to pop-up at least for the popular models.
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- GoW
- U{0
- 21 Dec 2022
Yes this might reduce ewaste generation. I have had to change the battery of my Poco F1 recently because I decided to hold on this phone for longer mainly because it still performs good. Replaceable batteries are simple because batteries tend to swell up after prolonged usage and they can be easily replaced. It will be a good decision to reintroduce easily removable batteries.
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- Anonymous
- uJA
- 21 Dec 2022
Problem isn't having non-replaceable batteries, but rather if you are still able to find good quality battery after the EOL of your existing battery (2-4yrs average), and whether if the new battery is still in good condition with that long storage. And next comes the issue of the stupidity numbers of batteries models in the market, almost every other phone use a new battery design.
- Daemon Targaryen
- 4BT
- 21 Dec 2022
I believe around 2012 is when we really started to lose removable batteries. HTC Thunderbolt 4G (2011) and Galaxy Nexus (2011) still had them.
Samsung only kept them until 2014 with the Galaxy S5 and Note 4. By S6, they never came back. LG Optimus G (2012) and G2 (2013) didn't have it but G3 through G5 (2014-2016) did. I believe Oppo Find 7a (2014) had it too.
By 2016, it was the end of the line for removable batteries and headphone jack after LG V20 and iPhone 7 were released. Then Samsung started removing microSD slot by 2020 with the Note 20. The S20 still had it but it stopped for the S line with the S21.
Only Sony maintains headphone jack and microSD slot. The problem is their phones are so expensive and it's difficult getting them at a subsidized price. I still applaud Sony for keeping those two features. Sony might be my next phone if they can finally give us a flip phone with useful cover display.
And I love my WH-1000XM4 because I can still use it wired if the device is off. On AirPods , you can't do this. They're disposable once the batteries are dead. You can still use the XM4 for years long after the battery is completely dead via 3.5 mm headphone jack. God bless, Sony.
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- Anonymous
- uJA
- 21 Dec 2022
Anonymous, 21 Dec 2022There are alot of reputable non OEM Battery sellers on Andr... moreDefinitely have to disagree on this, especially on android. Good battery brand is hard to come by due to shear number of models of batteries used by android, most review doesn't mention on actual capacity, and when it does, it usually negative.
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- Anonymous
- uJA
- 21 Dec 2022
Rodolf, 21 Dec 20220 or 100 recharging is not what makes the battery degrade, ... morethe % you see is not telling about battery degradation. You need to measure the mAh to find the actual capacity. Most devices use the voltage to define the battery %.
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- David
- 3HZ
- 21 Dec 2022
Anonymous, 21 Dec 2022There are alot of reputable non OEM Battery sellers on Andr... moreI agree, lots of 3rd party batteries are good quality and some even are better in capacity than the oem originals. Most people when they change their battery in a device go for aftermarket one rather than and original one. Sometimes you can’t even buy original ones (without an official service) like with Apple.
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- Rodolf
- L1w
- 21 Dec 2022
Vonikhsat S Metra, 20 Dec 2022Woah, this is crazy good news.
A degraded battery is pro... more0 or 100 recharging is not what makes the battery degrade, it's because you're recharging it while the phone is on
If you want to preserve the battery as long as possible, only recharge after you turn off your device. I have two 4+ years phones that can still be recharged up to 98~99% after all these years! And they never turn off until they reach 1~2%.
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- Anonymous
- wYI
- 21 Dec 2022
EskeRahn, 21 Dec 2022Love the principal idea. BUT what will the price be, if the... moreThere are alot of reputable non OEM Battery sellers on Android Phones since they dont lockdown it down like Apple that is cheaper or slightly more expensive(better cells) than OEM.
- Daemon Targaryen
- 4BT
- 21 Dec 2022
I've been obsessed with phones since 2004 after getting my first camera phone in the Sony Ericsson T610/616. Forget going back to 10-12 years ago. We need to go back to about 15 years ago when removable batteries existed in phones except the first gen iPhone.
BlackBerry, Nokia, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericsson still had removable batteries. Xperia Play (2011) and Nokia N95 (2007) had them. Motorola RAZR V3 (2004) had it. The first Android in the G1 had it. The first Nexus had it. The last flagship to have removable battery was the LG V20 (2016).
Since the overrated iPhone X came out in 2017 because it was a special 10-year anniversary iPhone, we lost features along the way to benefit Apple's income. We need to go back to circa 2004-2011 when phones came in different form factors. When phones were fun as Michael Fisher says.
- EskeRahn
- n4L
- 21 Dec 2022
Love the principal idea. BUT what will the price be, if the batteries can be proprietary designs??
To work it MUST be accompanies with a requirement of open information on how to do a third party battery, that will work just as well if it meets the specifications.
We all know what else will happen with e.g. aPple: Batteries will only be replaceable within a few month after purchase, and at price that will then sky-rocket as the model gets older... Thus still making it too expensive to prolong the life of an older device.
(And the BS excuse they will use as a self fulfilling prophecy will be: reduced demand)
There are other crooks than aPple that have learned their planned obsolescence tricks - so the fruit company is not the only crook here.
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- Anonymous
- JHP
- 21 Dec 2022
Finally :)
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- David
- 3HZ
- 21 Dec 2022
There is no reason why phone batteries shouldn't be easily accessible. Apple decided to seal up their phones then everyone followed them when before it was as easy as removing a few screws or sliding/pulling the back off. Batteries are actually really cheap to buy.
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- Anonymous
- yAL
- 21 Dec 2022
Just go to service center to replace. No? You still have to get your batteries from somewhere right?