vivo sales in Germany may be suspended, following Nokia lawsuit
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Let's get them finally out and back to China.
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bulbulito.bayagbag, 13 Apr 2023yeah a good example is huawei, remove google services and 5... moreThe best camera on the market doesn't exactly sound like "paperweight" to me, especially because you can very easily install google on it now without issues, with GSpace.
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bulbulito.bayagbag, 13 Apr 2023VOOC is a proprietary charging tech from BBK, used by its s... moreIt was just an example as it is a patented product, they could sell it if they wanted, or companies could use it for free as well and then get sued for it.
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[deleted post]Tech industry didn't start in Japan. Back in the 1960s, many products were MADE IN THE USA. They had the #1 economy. If it was made in the USA, it meant QUALITY. Many of the technologies we have today came from European and American inventors like Tesla and Edison.
Back in the 1970s, Americans viewed Japanese products as a joke. The Honda Civic was a junk car during the 70s and most of the 80s. Now it's looked at as a very reliable commuter car that you can also turn into a street racer. Chinese are the real copycats and you're defending them?
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The videos for the vivo X Flip are already out. Looks decent. GSMArena hasn't mentioned it yet.
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bulbulito.bayagbag, 13 Apr 2023VOOC is a proprietary charging tech from BBK, used by its s... moreVoltage Open Loop Multi-step Constant-Current Charging), also known as a Warp
It is just race even btw chinese brands Huawei has their own Xiaomi or Infinix
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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023Dont be blind man, Deal expire since june 2021 and Oppo did... moreOk whatever 🤷♂️ good 👍
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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi still selling in Europe. How a... moreVOOC is a proprietary charging tech from BBK, used by its subsidiaries, meaning, without the charging brick and cable, it will not work. Why would they it give it for free? its used as a marketing tool for their products.
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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Totally agree. Only stupid people are using mediocre chines... moreyeah a good example is huawei, remove google services and 5G and its as good as paper weight outside of china.
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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023Then why Only BBK? Thats first Question, no other company c... moreYou're right. It's strange as to why Oppo haven't renewed at the asking price, whilst other brands have.
From everything I've read, it's difficult to draw a conclusion for the reason, unless Oppo cannot financially afford it or don't find it financially viable (within that market region). 🤷♂️
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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Totally agree. Only stupid people are using mediocre chines... moreExactly. These comment section is full of bots
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Tom209, 12 Apr 2023There are always 2 sides to a story. In Oppo's case, t... moreThen why Only BBK? Thats first Question, no other company complain, 2nd question we are talking SEP here which must be licenced under FRAND, Oppo would win 100% if Nokia Breach Frand, but Oppo didnt pursue this why?
I have been followind Nokia for years, they usual charge less than Competitors especially in Connectivity, Oppo could go to Ericson or Qualcomm they both have similar solutions for these type of things but they wont because Nokia for them is easy prey.
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Oki, 12 Apr 2023Hopefully EU is smart and fights against these Chinese comp... moreTotally agree. Only stupid people are using mediocre chinese phone. Just look at the comment quality here made by them.
Chinese phones are nothing without Android OS from the US and other techs from US allies.👌
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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023HMD is not Nokia. HMD is another company that pays Noki... moreYeah, really now. Who would buy an unknown brand like hmd that uses NOKIA patent portofolio, when there are etablished and well respected innovative brands like xiaomi, realme, realyou, realnotreal, Micromax, meizu, ulefone, honor, oppo, tecno, vivo, poko and many other "steal from here-> paste there-> sell cheap-> make money-> scrapp brand if not successfull-> find another name-> rewind" ? I mean this "brands" innovated so much, nobody can tell what. They even innovated the mobile phone...making on a boat and the first smartpaste, that's some kind of a phone but worse. Talking about hmd while holding an oppo, is like laughing at AUDI while driving a Lada.
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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Your example is lame. 5% of vaio is much more than 10% of... moreI'm not countering anyone. Statements were made that Nokia have nothing to do with HMD's mobile sector. This isn't true, as Nokia hold INVESTMENT INTEREST in HMD, and also regularly finance HMD through loans and investments. Therefore, apart from the brand licensing agreement, it's evident Nokia have a vested interest in HMD, as they part own and help to finance it. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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Nokia need this renewal as much as oppo - as according to articles published in October 2022, Nokia's gross margin fell due to this patent issue with oppo, as Nokia were expecting a backlog of pending royalites to be issued in one lump sum. This didn't materialize, affecting their profits. (Source - Reuters - Oct 2022).
Keep in mind, according to other articles, Nokia charged $3.50 (in 2018) for every device sold using their 5G patents, along with additional charges for any of their other patents being used. Qualcomm charged $16.25 for every device sold back in 2018 that were using their patents. (Source - FierceWireless).
With the price increases/inflation, the cost for these patents would have increased exponentially in this current (2022/2023) economic climate. Maybe Oppo cannot genuinely afford to pay, especially if a pending royalty lump sum (possibly equating to $70 million+), is required.
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Tom209, 12 Apr 2023A pretty stupified example, considering sony owned vaio, an... moreYour example is lame. 5% of vaio is much more than 10% of hmd.
Need better argument to counter the other person.
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Tom209, 12 Apr 2023There are always 2 sides to a story. In Oppo's case, t... moreNokia can charge $100 per phone if tbey want. Tbwir tech, their price.
Oppo can choose to pay and use or not pay and drop the tech.
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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023Nokia didnt Acquire HMD, if my memory are correct Hmd paid ... moreThey haven't acquired HMD, but they own 10%, and have regularly invested in HMD, including issuing loans for $65 million in 2019, and a further investment of $230 million in 2020 (along with Google & Qualcomm).
Along with their brand licensing agreement, owning 10% in a company while routinely investing millions, shows that Nokia have a lot more vested in HMD than many people want to believe.
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robi10101298, 12 Apr 2023Are you posting this from a Sammy/iPhone or what? :))) A... moreI have hard times recalling something that Huawei innovated and was not already there written in history by nokia or blackberry, or sony.