vivo sales in Germany may be suspended, following Nokia lawsuit

12 April 2023
vivo is ready to appeal the court decision and is continuing to negotiate a new IP deal with Nokia.

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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023Dont be blind man, Deal expire since june 2021 and Oppo did... moreThere are always 2 sides to a story. In Oppo's case, they shared the following statement with Juve Patent in August 2022:

"As the owner of many 5G patents, Oppo respects the value of intellectual property in innovation to a particularly high degree. We have entered into cross-licensing agreements with many leading companies in the past and are committed to fostering a healthy intellectual property ecosystem. The day after the 4G agreement between Oppo and Nokia expired, Nokia immediately went to court. They had previously demanded an unreasonably high contract renewal fee".

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    Ra-Iri, 12 Apr 2023"I have nothing against them..." "...thei... moreYrah, you really have no idea what your talking about and how powerful data analytics can be. Just because you have no idea what that is and no understanding of it's implementation, does not mean that it does not exist, or that you suddenly -know better-

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      Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Sony has 5% of Vaio. Is Vaio still sony computer? No. Yeah but there is small-big difference. hmd uses Nokia patents to make their smartphones.

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        Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Sony has 5% of Vaio. Is Vaio still sony computer? No. A pretty stupified example, considering sony owned vaio, and sold it to JIP in 2014, while still maintaining 5% ownership. 🤦‍♂️

        Nokia have a 10% OWNERSHIP interest in HMD. An investment, alongside its brand licensing agreement. Therefore its pretty naive for people to make claims that they're "separate entities", when Nokia holds part ownership in HMD & also invested $230 million, along with google & qualcomm - in 2019/2020.

          AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023You would not live without these two words ''cooo... moreDont be blind man, Deal expire since june 2021 and Oppo didnt pay for a year untill Nokia sued them last year, if Oppo wanted it to end outside court they had more than 1 year to solve it.

          These are paragraph from Nokia Blog Explain this issue.

          "To put this into context, Nokia has invested more than €130 billion in R&D since 2000, and over €4 billion last year alone. Anyone who enters the market like OPPO, and who is reliant upon the massive investments made by others, should respect the rules of the system that allow companies to use standardized technologies, provided they agree a license on FRAND terms. But OPPO continues to enjoy these benefits while refusing to pay fair compensation for the innovations created by others

          When it came to renewing their license agreement, OPPO rejected our fair and reasonable offers, insisting that they wanted to pay less than their competitors. Once it became clear OPPO were unwilling to agree to reasonable terms directly with us, we offered to enter into independent and neutral arbitration.

          Litigation is always our last resort, and we took every possible step to resolve the matter amicably, but by rejecting our offers and the proposed arbitration, OPPO left us with no choice. And so, we initiated legal action in a number of countries in Europe and Asia. The actions center on a mix of cellular Standard Essential Patents and implementation patents covering connectivity, user interface and security technologies"

          As you can see same Tech Apple, Samsung, Lenovo, Xiaomi, Huawei, Asus etc pay Nokia to use them but Only BBK brands dont want to pay same amount.

          If Nokia charged them more than others then Nokia would 100% lose this case because they are bound by Frand.

          Just imagine dis respect company which created phone from scratch, invent majority of technology you use today in your phone, and Think Oppo is better which contribute nothing to today standards. THEY ARE JUST PARASITE who rely on others to work hard so they can use for free.

            AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023You would not live without these two words ''cooo... moreHMD Global is the company behind the current Nokia smartphone lineup, which has nothing to do with Nokia Corporation.

            The technology that BBK uses was created by Nokia Corporation (not HMD), thus it's essentially Nokia's product and since products tend to cost money, so does this one. If BBK were to use it without paying for it, that would just be theft.

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              Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023Nokia wants money because they invent those technologies, V... moreYou would not live without these two words ''cooonspiiraacyyy theeeooryyy'' would you ?
              My theories are close to reality .. When an company can't do anything else against other company or compete they will start extortioner other companies very sad way to earn money.. hurting other company.. by checking if anyone using patents.. Sad.... By this company looks even worse to public and karma will get them.. These things can be solved outside court.. They probably weren't aware and definitely didn't do it on purpose.. Many companies do this nothing new...
              I have no clue who ''HMD'' is so I can't comment on that ...

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                Tom209, 12 Apr 2023Not entirely true considering Nokia hold ownership interest... moreSony has 5% of Vaio.

                Is Vaio still sony computer? No.

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                  [deleted post]Yeah but google doesn't push propaganda video and absurd trend through youtube feed . China does with tik tok .


                  If you think there are many brands from china . You are the 🤡 here . They are all one company . I.e-china .

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                    AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023That's what I mentioned below the secret company colla... moreNo need to scratch your head thinking of conspiracy between Nokia and Xiaomi. Its simple really.

                    You dont want to get sued by Nokia? Then pay for using intellectual rights owned by other companies. Xiaomi paid for the patented tech, while BBK didnt want to pay.

                      AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023That's you answered what I was saying ..they trying to... moreNokia wants money because they invent those technologies, Vivo or Oppo could just remove those tech in their phones and continue to sell phones there but instead they decide to use others tech without paying them.

                      Btw Hmd also was Banned in same market because of Volte patents whats your conspiracy theory on that?

                        [deleted post]"I have nothing against them..."

                        "...their surveillance is becoming worrisome."

                        Oh boy you sure have something against them. Also lmao yea Google doesn't know anything about you too.

                        What will China do to you personal info? As if they'd care. The more you are online, the more these products know about you. And by products, I mean all platforms and equipments you use.

                        Such is the ethical dilemma of the internet.

                          Tom209, 12 Apr 2023From the looks of it, it seems the patent pricing fee incre... moreI doubt you can just increase price in Sep most of these patents are regulated by governing bodies and are licenced by FRAND. Huawei just renewed recently even though they barely operate in Europe, Xiaomi, Samsung and other Oem pay too.

                            Tom209, 12 Apr 2023Not entirely true considering Nokia hold ownership interest... moreNokia didnt Acquire HMD, if my memory are correct Hmd paid nokia by ownership something like that.

                              robi10101298, 12 Apr 2023Are you posting this from a Sammy/iPhone or what? :))) A... moreMost likely Sammy.

                                Oki, 12 Apr 2023Hopefully EU is smart and fights against these Chinese comp... moreHopefully the EU is smarter than that and instead bans you, we don't need your surveillance.

                                  Oki, 12 Apr 2023Hopefully EU is smart and fights against these Chinese comp... moreAre you posting this from a Sammy/iPhone or what? :)))

                                  Are you jealous that Chinese phones are better or what?
                                  When Huawei was banned from using GMS and certain components, phone manufacturers stopped innovating, they're not recycling parts each year and giving us only 10% gain as it is something spectacular.

                                    Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Suspended or not, no one would buy it anyway. 😂 Most of ... moreYou forgot your signature "👍"

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                                      Suspended or not, no one would buy it anyway. 😂

                                      Most of people there prefer a phone with popular brand like Samsung/Apple.

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                                        Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi still selling in Europe. How a... moreThey don't need to or don't want to as every chine smartphone manuf has their own ultra fast charging ..
                                        I have Huawei and cables and chargers doesn't work on Oppo and vice versa
                                        That's just business aging so every brand can sell their own accessories
                                        But charging is all same on all it is just voltages and amps they all just have their own verifying chips in chargers and cables ..
                                        Am pretty sure it can be hacked or bypassed

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