vivo sales in Germany may be suspended, following Nokia lawsuit

12 April 2023
vivo is ready to appeal the court decision and is continuing to negotiate a new IP deal with Nokia.

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Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023HMD is not Nokia. HMD is another company that pays Noki... moreThat's you answered what I was saying ..they trying to block vivo so that other company under Nokia would have better sales ... Then whole lawsuit is pointless
Am pretty sure they will resume it and will be normally selling in Germany again

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    Anonymous, 12 Apr 2023HMD is not Nokia. HMD is another company that pays Noki... moreNot entirely true considering Nokia hold ownership interest (@10%) in HMD. This means it is one of the owners of HMD, along with being a brand-licenser.

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      darodassa, 12 Apr 2023This 100% "if we can't be successful with that... moreWhy dont you spend billions to create own tech, then let other use for free so you cannot recover the money invested back?

      Ppl here defend oppo because they do not want to pay €10 more per device or even less?
      Pathetic ....
      Then do not spend €1300 on phones to begin with.

        vivo is only an independent company did not count as a ban, unlike Oppo (maybe realme counts?) and OnePlus was taken down by the governemnt.

        That's why vivo is different.

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          kevvv, 12 Apr 2023Doesn't makes sense. First of all, if they really star... moreThat's what I mentioned below the secret company collaboration with Nokia is actually Xiamomi ..🙂
          I always found xiamomi weird or odd.. Never had phones from them .. I remember one guy brought older one to phone shop me to repair and was buggy I have installed custom ROM for him about 5 years ago ..
          They used to call themselves "Mi"
          Strangley they never made lawsuit against samsung or Apple hmm 🤔 ..

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            AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023Pure jealously that Chinese brands are perfect androids and... moreHuawei, Honor and Xiaomi still selling in Europe.

            How about Oppo license VOOC for free to all chinese brands? I highly doubt this will ever happen.

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              AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023They do but not in mass production anymore but they using a... moreHMD is not Nokia.

              HMD is another company that pays Nokia to use their name , this way they can get attention from costumers. Who would by phone from unknown company called HMD Global? Nokia sold entire mobile business to Microsoft. Zero was left.

              If Nokia was still making phones, they would not be ODM and would be 100x better full of new stuff.

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                Oki, 12 Apr 2023Hopefully EU is smart and fights against these Chinese comp... moreOh please you paranoid
                I've been using Huawei and other chinese phones since 2010 and am still here 🤷‍♂️
                You think they gonna "spy" on you? Please.. You believe nonsense ..
                You would have to be famous or popular then the whole world will spy on you
                Usa is spying on you since u started using windows or iOS.

                  AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023Pure jealously that Chinese brands are perfect androids and... moreDoesn't makes sense. First of all, if they really start "being jealous" to Chinese brands, why they don't just targeted Xiaomi since first time, which has bigger market share than all BBK brand's marketshare in Germany combined? Secondly, a patent is a patent. If a company called ABC hold a patent, no matter if Apple or Samsung use that patent, Apple and Samsung SHOULD pay for the patent to that ABC company, and that company has the right to demand a lawsuit against companies (not limited to a Chinese company) that do not pay their patent.

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                    Hopefully EU is smart and fights against these Chinese companies. We don't need their surveillance, thank you

                      AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023That's fine but companies suing each other on daily ba... moreI understand, but this isn't just small fine worthy.

                        darodassa, 12 Apr 2023This 100% "if we can't be successful with that... moreIs it too hard for people to understand that "Nokia" which holds the patent is a different Nokia which is 180 degrees different from "HMD Nokia" which currently produces those low-end phones?

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                          DarlingYext, 12 Apr 2023Not at all. BBK companies like vivo and Oppo also have pate... moreThat's fine but companies suing each other on daily basis but they never stop them to sell just get small fine if there were breaches ..
                          Strange that Finland company has power in Germany to stop vivo sell phones .🤷‍♂️

                            AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023It doesn't matter I said earlier they have secret part... moreNot at all. BBK companies like vivo and Oppo also have patents. Would you want those to just be used by any company without paying for them?

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                              Apple pay to nokia and samsung. And they dont ha e problem

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                                DarlingYext, 12 Apr 2023Nokia doesn't even make phones anymore, let that sink ... moreIt doesn't matter I said earlier they have secret partner which does and by blocking chinese phones ppl will be buying that brand which Nokia is hand in hand so they will receive cuts
                                So why Nokia bothering strangely with all Chinese brands banning ?
                                They can be separate but boss receive money from both as they carry inventor name and still he/she decides
                                It's all propaganda against chinese companies nothing else

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                                  DarlingYext, 12 Apr 2023Nokia doesn't even make phones anymore, let that sink ... moreNot entirely true considering Nokia hold ownership interest (@10%) in HMD. This means it is one of the owners of HMD, along with being a brand-licenser.

                                    AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023Pure jealously that Chinese brands are perfect androids and... moreThis 100%

                                    "if we can't be successful with that, no one else should be!"

                                    Totally doesn’t look desperate and pathetic when the remnants of your 4th holding conglomerate is now pulling a blackberry.

                                    Typical move from dead-end companies that have nothing going on and no desirable products but live on many years old names and patents. Their few employees sit around and occasionally lash out from irrelevancy to drag other companies down. It's not like they are selling stuff that they need to protect.

                                    Another reason to never buy any of their products. No one needs HMD rebadging generic phones for nostalgia's sake. I hope they finally move out of the phone business.

                                      AnonD-1091185, 12 Apr 2023Pure jealously that Chinese brands are perfect androids and... moreNokia doesn't even make phones anymore, let that sink in already. HMD Global's Nokia and Nokia Corporation are 2 completely different and separate companies.

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                                        DarlingYext, 12 Apr 2023They aren't using them, quite the opposite. HMD bought... morePure jealously that Chinese brands are perfect androids and nobody buys Nokia crap anymore .. Otherwise they wouldn't ban selling just fine them looks like they banned all Chinese brands in Germany