Dimensity 9300 in vivo X100 Pro throttles after 15 minutes in stress test

27 November 2023
As expected from a chip with four performance cores.

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  • 28 Nov 2023

Zero, 27 Nov 2023mmWave us US exclusive perk, something that Qualcomm has al... moreIt's true that most of mmWave patent is owned by Qualcomm.
But Mediatek chip also support mmWave and pay patens fee to Qualcomm.

The problem for mmWave is actually it's not useful.
It can't penetrate wall & glass. So you need to use it while outside you're home
It's also can't penetrate rain, fog, snow, smoke.

Korea is one of the best example of the failure of mmWave.
All Korean carrier use it but abandoned it after 2 years because very low utilization. Bellow 1%.
SO, mmWave is pretty useless.

What would be very useful is the 6Ghz band that USA use as WiFi 6E, but China, Gulf countries and Brazil have use it for 5G advance with 10Gbps downlink & 1 Gbps uplink. This is way faster than mmWave, and can penetrate wall & glass

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    • 28 Nov 2023

    I wonder if this chip might work better in a tablet where there is theoretically more space for cooling?

      Stoon, 27 Nov 2023High nits is the main culprit with the 1440p resolution ...... moreS23U. Xiaomi 13 series. All these ran resolutions higher than 1080p. They didn't have overheating issues. This was with 8G2.

      Maybe, just maybe, running 4 power hungry cores on a chip at the same time like an idiot causes the overheating, not the screen.

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        • 28 Nov 2023

        AnonD-990158, 27 Nov 2023Does it matter? You're not going to be using your phon... moreBuy a powerful phone. Use it like a less powerful one. Smartphone makers and telco staff love this person. 😂

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          • Anonymous
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          • 28 Nov 2023

          [deleted post]Don't worry. Majority of buyers won't push that phone its limit. Maybe capcut will be the most resource intensive app they will ever since. And taking 720p videos.
          So in the end, it's the makers who will laugh all the way to the bank.

            [deleted post]What that pushing a SoC to its limits with no active cooling will make it throttle to prolong SoC usage/life span and not overheat the battery, i mean yeah its not hard to figure out, doesnt take a smart person to understand energy output equals heat, simple fact of life, sorry you struggle with this understanding. Try again.

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              • 28 Nov 2023

              Zero, 27 Nov 2023mmWave us US exclusive perk, something that Qualcomm has al... moreYou know D9300 has mmwave right?
              Not only mediatek chip.
              Even 8200 has.

              Next lame excuse please

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                • Anonymous
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                • 28 Nov 2023

                15 minutes, not 2 minutes

                  Vinaigre, 27 Nov 2023If we compare all of the chipsets, the Kirin are still the ... moreYeah sure, with performance being 5 years behind right? 😂

                    Anonymous, 27 Nov 2023Why not have little cores that are more efficient for backg... moreYeah, I'm much more worried about battery life than throttling. Of course a phone chipset with 4 X cores is gonna throttle hard in a stress test. But can the chipset be power efficient in a variety of daily tasks?

                      I bet that's the best 2 minutes of Genshin Impact for the comments section. 😂😂😂

                        Not surprising because of having 4 prime cores, 4 big cores, and no small cores.

                        This will not be a good chipset for gaming. However, it will perform well with daily stuff that demands max performance for only a couple seconds at a time, although battery life might take a hit.

                          That's totally expected - Its maximum power consumption (according to the engineering sample) is around 16W which means it will never maintain its peak performance for more than dozens of seconds. The whole point of having an all-big-core design is that it's more efficient than forcing small "efficiency" cores to operate at a high clock speed, so for instance where SD 8g3 consumes over 15W in full throttle, D9300 can achieve a similar level of performance at just under 11W.

                          I would also wait for more phones with D9300 to come out as this is an isolated case of one unit of a phone reported by one user under specific circumstances. Geekerwan's review, for example, shows a much more favourable result for X100's CPU performance.

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                            • 27 Nov 2023

                            Zero, 27 Nov 2023mmWave us US exclusive perk, something that Qualcomm has al... moreSome Mediatek's support mmwave (Dimensity 1050, 9200)...
                            If antennas are installed on phone and fees are paid to Qualcomm...

                            Tons of smartphones with Qualcomm's don't support mmwave, for exemple :
                            - European S23 (when US one supports)
                            - US Oneplus 11

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                              • 27 Nov 2023

                              Anonymous, 27 Nov 2023Why then did you say D9000 was better than 8g1 based on ben... moreMostly based on process and power consumption.

                              8 Gen 1 ...Samsung's 4nm
                              Dimensity 9000...TSMC's 4nm
                              8+ Gen 1 switched to TSMC because of far better efficiency.

                              Well, mmwave...very short range...you can get higher peak perf, but in restricted area, technology is unable to go through walls, even people can mask signal
                              Most countries don't use mmwave.
                              Some countries spread mmwave first instead of 3500mHz...average bandwidth were worst (USA for exemple).
                              And if you want to receive mmwave, you don't need only soc, you need antennas!
                              S23 sold in Europe doesn't support mmwave
                              S23 sold in USA does...
                              Both use SD8 Gen 2
                              Oneplus 11 sold in USA doesn't support mmwave.
                              Tons of smartphones don't support mmwave despite Qualcomm's soc.

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                                • 27 Nov 2023

                                Anonymous, 27 Nov 2023People here think that Qualcomm has not tested too many dif... moreActually Axx is now inferior to Apple small core, thats facts sir.

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                                  • 27 Nov 2023

                                  Anonymous, 27 Nov 2023Why then did you say D9000 was better than 8g1 based on ben... moremmWave us US exclusive perk, something that Qualcomm has all the patents. No other company can enter and once Apple enters, is over.

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                                    • 27 Nov 2023

                                    Well, process doesn't change this year
                                    If you want to increase your power, you will be forced to increase heat...

                                    It's sad but they need higher numbers to sell new devices!
                                    Even if most people don't need those numbers.
                                    CPU Benchmarks kill soc designs.

                                    Put 9300's ISP on a Dimensity 7 serie, released a photophone with it and it will fit what most people need.
                                    But people won't buy it because it won't be a flagship.

                                    You don't need those powerfull CPU on a phone
                                    CPU becomes less and less important...
                                    For photo, ISP is the key...and NPU (if not overused)

                                    And if you're a hard core gamer, GPU is the thing you have to look at...
                                    On PC, no one will buy Threadripper for gaming...but some will buy RTX 4090.

                                    That's the problem of soc...you're the prisoner of companies decision, you can't have the device you really need.
                                    That's why Windows on Arm isn't that interessant...all in one soc kills flexibility
                                    Especially if Mac is the exemple! Will you buy a 8200€ Mac Pro without hardware RT acceleration if you're a 3D Modeler...when a 1300€ PC with a RTX4070 is faster (and evolutive)?

                                    In some cases, soc is really a great thing!
                                    Exemple of soc well designed are the one used on action cameras.
                                    ISP is the most important part.
                                    You've got for exemple Ambarella CV5...
                                    8k/30 recording : power consumption 2W
                                    8k/60 recording : 5W
                                    CPU : 2x Cortex A76!!!!
                                    No benchmarks on Action Cam!
                                    If you were able to run Geekbench on this, you probably will get scores like 500single/1000multi...and it records 8k/60 when phones soc gets 2000/7000 and aren't able to.

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                                      • 27 Nov 2023

                                      IpsDisplay, 27 Nov 2023Logic is sensical I don't see casual users running ben... moreWhy then did you say D9000 was better than 8g1 based on benchmark score last year?
                                      Chip that does not even have mmwave available on SD480.

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                                        • 27 Nov 2023

                                        TheLastOracle, 27 Nov 2023"The CPU throttling test is designed to run all the CP... moreI said since S8 Gen 3 ALSO suffers from CPU tests, despite is minor, still the suffering exists.
                                        The iPhone also suffers,but just with a copper vapor chamber and the improvements are dramatic.

                                        https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPhone-15-Pro-with-vapor-chamber-mod-achieves-significantly-better-performance.771766.0.html

                                        Something that Qualcomm and Mediatek can't pull it.
                                        And something that ARM should start to care too since their cores are extremely power hungry. Since A78 and A55 there is no decent core.

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