New Sony Honami photo surfaces, shows camera UI
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- Anonymous
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- 17 Jul 2013
AnonD-116639, 17 Jul 2013Sony i1 honami will be able to record 4k video recording wh... moreIncorrect
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- AnonD-116639
- rJH
- 17 Jul 2013
Sony i1 honami will be able to record 4k video recording while 1020 has only 1080p video recording.Though lumia 1020 may have a little edge in stills but in overall camera experience sony i1 will be far better.
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- AnonD-152638
- mhB
- 17 Jul 2013
AnonD-125195, 17 Jul 2013So you like 1080p TV better than a 8k TV because the 1080p ... moreactually, you are quite wrong about your televison example.
When it comes to capture images, the important thing is how much light a pixel captures. And larger pixels generally captures more light, or actually defenately does if they are of the same generation. (older pixels performed much worse).
Sensor size doesnt tell the whole story either, as the spacing between pixels are relevant numbers as well (older cameras had much more space between the pixels).
In a TV, pixels are big enough as it is and on LCD screens like most are, it's actually not the pixels that emit light, so there a low resolution would not result in a dark image, but in a camera if pixels dont capture enough light to form part of an image all they give you is noise.
But then i cameras, the lens also affects the ability for each pixel to capture light.
And OIS helps in many situatuions as well to keep noise down.
So my guess is that the per pixel performance of the 1020 is still better, even if it would turn out that the pixels would be slightly smaller than those of the Honami.
And like I commented before, the Honami probably isn't the camera centric phone rumours made it out to be, it's probably just the next generation follow up to the Z (as it arrives one year later), and it happens to have a better camera as a part of the new package. That does not mean it was ever meant to take on the challenge of the 1020, 808 or the S4 zoom.
It's simply a slim high end phone with high end specs, and slightly better camera than the last generation of Sony high end.
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- denm
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- 17 Jul 2013
Can't wait for this. Sony must release it to the market before samsung pirate it.
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- AnonD-140403
- U3x
- 17 Jul 2013
I should wait
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- AnonD-152638
- mhB
- 17 Jul 2013
Anonymous, 17 Jul 2013Recalculated: 1.17 microns for Honami, still a fraction big... moreI dont bother to do the math, but if the size is correct, you still have to take in to account that the 1020 probably has better optics (even sony uses Zeiss for their higher end cameras and lens-kits). And the 1020 has OIS.
But in the real world, neither will capture a per pixel resolution anywhere near the specified resolution, and they be even further dreaded down by JPEG algorithms.
But I still think Sony should have stayed at 12MP max, and had bigger pixels.
And Nokia should have stayed at 20-25, it would still be impressive, if the actual resolution got close to that (and with the then bigger pixels, it could have), those extra pixels now mainly captur noise that is to little use in the pureview process.
It's more about spreading the word of the actual image quality than it is of marketing number of pixels... most people just buy what they like when it comes to phones, no matter what resolution the camera has or how well speced that LED camera light is.
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- denm
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- 17 Jul 2013
Can't wait for this. Sony must release it to the market before samsung pirate it.
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- Bud
- XMi
- 17 Jul 2013
20mp standart' I think is not enough to fight with Nokia 1020, but the phone has a waterproof and HDdisplay. . . . I'm waiting for. . .
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- AnonD-152638
- mhB
- 17 Jul 2013
X, 17 Jul 2013Look, most pictures on the web are from 2 to 8MP! Even on F... moreIf you only plan to post your pictures on the web, well, then 20MP is overkill.
If you like to zoom in on details and frame later.
Or you like to go back to the place you visited and see all the details you remember, you simply need higher resolution.
Your computer and TV is not likely to have higher resolution than 4K (8MP) in the coming years.
So really if all you do is either post on the web or watch the images on the TV, all you need is 4K (about 8MP 16:9) resolution. And to crop that out of a sensor with other aspect ratio you don't need 20MP.
I could however see one potential use for higher resolution and that would be to have a square resolution of about 4000x4000 to make sure you can capture 4K images/video in both portrait and landscape mode.
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- AnonD-156746
- XuX
- 17 Jul 2013
Anonymous, 17 Jul 2013Recalculated: 1.17 microns for Honami, still a fraction big... moreyou have no idea how 1020 takes images....to create a 5mp image,it combines seven pixels to create a bigger pixel that is 7 times the size of smaller pixels...this method results in much better detail and much less noise and still those 5mp images have almost same size as from other 5mp cams(if the subject is same in both situations)....
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- AnonD-125195
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- 17 Jul 2013
Anonymous, 17 Jul 20132/3 sensor size(width): 8.8mm
pixel size: 8.8/5248=0.00167... moreSo you like 1080p TV better than a 8k TV because the 1080p TV has bigger pixels? Senzor size is different than pixel size.
Lumia 1020 records video in 8k resolution (7728 x 4354) then resizes (oversampling) the video to 1080p, resulting a crystal clear 1080p video.
Honami has no chance against 1020, Honami is trying to beat Galaxy S4 camera, because Xperia Z 13 mp camera is inferior to Galaxy S4 and inferior to Nokia N8 12 mp camera from 2010.
Gsmarena photo compare Nokia N8, Xperia Z, GS4 http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=3252&idPhone2=5204&idPhone3=5125
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- AnonD-19038
- M%j
- 17 Jul 2013
A couple of things
1) I hope Sony introduce a feature similar to what Samsung did with the S4 as 16Gb (ie allow you to install apps on the SD card) will get chewed up with large apps in a short space of time.
2) They also add a 16:9 resolution higher than 8mp.
3) they have a screen to match the quality of HTC One
As I'm due an upgrade towards the end of this year and am liking the look of this!
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- AnonD-147044
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- 17 Jul 2013
AnonD-77186, 17 Jul 2013So i need another program and a PC to resize images and wat... moreSeriously? Your TV is going to scale the images down by itself....
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- mhB
- 17 Jul 2013
AnonD-77186, 17 Jul 2013So i need another program and a PC to resize images and wat... moreNo you don't!
DO you have an 8K TV?
I doubt it.
The maximul resolution found in a home today is most likely 4K, and the majority are on 720p or 1080p.
So if you only plan to watch it on your TV, 8MP should be fine up to 4K.
If you however like to zoom in on the image you got showing on your tv, well then you could zoom on your 20MP image, and not use resize by the TV.
I don't get your argument, you either have no idea how how low the resolution is on your TV.
Or you lack the basic understanding of what resoulution is good for in a digital camera (zooming in on details, since for photo prints you only need about 3MP and for paper sized prints with photo quality about 8-9MP).
If you never want to zoom in on your picture, what you want is a sensor with the resolution of 1920x1080 and nothing more. If you want to zoom in, you would not be bothered by the fact that in only captures 8MP in 16:9, since you would use the full 20MP setting any way and zoom in to the part of the image you are interested in. And please turn off that auto rezise you have on your TV!
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- Anonymous
- niy
- 17 Jul 2013
Recalculated: 1.17 microns for Honami, still a fraction bigger than 1020.
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- AnonD-147044
- 0$q
- 17 Jul 2013
huge bezel and ugly design in general. meh.
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- Anonymous
- niy
- 17 Jul 2013
Anonymous, 17 Jul 20132/3 sensor size(width): 8.8mm pixel size: 8.8/5248=0.00167... moreSorry, those calculations are WRONG!
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- Anonymous
- niy
- 17 Jul 2013
2/3 sensor size(width): 8.8mm
pixel size: 8.8/5248=0.00167
1.67 microns
Lumia 1020 pixel size: 1.12 microns(according to gsmarena)
Still complaints about the Honami's sensor size?
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- Am9
- 17 Jul 2013
AnonD-152638, 17 Jul 2013Well the thickness comparisson is irreleavant. The sensor i... moreLook, most pictures on the web are from 2 to 8MP! Even on Flickr. I'll rather have the Sony with less pixels for the camera than a bulky ugly phone be it with 100MP.Remember it's also a phone so it has to perform in other areas as well, CPU, screen, memory space, etc.
Taking into account that is water and dust resistant and it has the best design since iPhone 4, this phone is the only option for top end phones. SGS 4 is good, but it has an uglier design, that's all. I hope I wouldn't be sorry for moving from SGS 3 to Honami, but Sony can do great devices(VAIO laptops, NEX and RX cameras, etc), so I'll take the chance.
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- AnonD-11793
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- 17 Jul 2013
Great