vivo X200 and X200 Pro are now on sale

19 October 2024
The X200 Pro mini is still on pre-orders.

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  • 19 Oct 2024

Display should be mote than 6.8'' and there must not be curbed display.

    IpsDisplay, 19 Oct 2024If you view the price hike only from a consumer lens I unde... moreyeah i discussed these in another comment, lemme just copy and paste that

    "I hope this is just a slow year. I think the main issue is the fact that chinese brands are going for a uniform look this year, which is a new era for them. From curved back, front and sides to flat sides, mostly flat screens and slightly curved back. This seems to be "the new look" everyone's going for. Additionally i heard phones might be getting ultrasonic scanners too, so there's that. Then finally, there's the added cost of using better/improving Si/C battery technology. The first gen stuff only came out in top tier flagships like the Magic6 Pro, Magic V3, Mate XT Ultimate and also the X100 Ultra. Even though we're getting this tech in "lower" tier flagships, maybe the cost is staying the same. Maybe this is second gen Si/C battery too so that could've led to higher costs as well. I'm just speculating lol, i understand there's numerous costs but it just "seems" like a lackluster year to have price hikes on."

    I understand all these points, but I do think there's a certain case to be made about the price hikes. The Find X7 Ultra and the Vivo X100 Ultra had HUGE changes to the cameras, the X7 Ultra had 2 telephotos with macro and 3 new sensors on the back, the X100 Ultra's 3 main sensors were new and the selfie cam was the best they had access to as well. Those phones didn't have a noticeable price hike. The X100 Ultra came with the largest telephoto cam AND a first gen Si/C battery as well. So yeah, there's that. My main issue is the removal of the 1 incher and then the increase of price.

    Vivo has always been the first to release dimensity chips, i don't think there's gonna be any new huge cost to this that they didn't pay before. Zeiss changes could be a thing but I doubt it's that bad, if there were new negotiations, Vivo would've used the chance and plastered far more Zeiss stuff to make their investment worth it.

    Whatever the case, we're all just speculating. They also might have super low costs due to uniform displays with other chinese brands, flat sides, same sensors, etc. and are jacking price to just get more profit. We may never know.

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      erotavlas, 19 Oct 2024why are these phones China only? I want one but North Amer... more1) vivo does not have business in America ( north, central, south).
      2) not worth from financial point of view for vivo to sell some devices out of China. Volume of sales are not enough to cover costs.

        erotavlas, 19 Oct 2024why are these phones China only? I want one but North Amer... moreMan if a phone excites you, u need to get more!

        Its a tool.

          Anonymous, 19 Oct 2024We don't know the price difference between d9300 and d... moreDoesn't it really matter?

          Are you going t to ask the price of R&D, design, manufacturing, UI creation & debugging amd security updates, bootloader creation, software hosting, wtc to price out the entire device??!!

          1st your asking per unit NOT in bulk which is what Vivo & others do.

          Man youre being a puppet following too many influencers commentary that doesnt really matter to help drive sales!

          Think 4 yourself for once.

            jiyen235, 19 Oct 2024>better screen, battery, design, video recording and pho... moreIf you view the price hike only from a consumer lens I understand

            But what about from a production stand point?

            +Early adoption of si/c batteries

            + D9400 co development / first to launch privilege And from what I understand Vivo's v3 isp chip is now directly incorporated into the d9400

            + Potential Zeiss negotiation changes

            Are there other variables that we aren't considering that Vivo needs to recoup costs for

            Bill of materials isn't the only thing to think about

              The X200 series looks very promising especially with it's price (yes,I know it will get more expensive once it becomes global) and maybe Vivo becomes one of the top 5 sellers globally with the V series and X series

                jiyen235, 19 Oct 2024yes we should, you're being an immature fanboy and can... moreWe're not about, nothing's personal here dear friend chill 🤣

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                  • 19 Oct 2024

                  just take my money already!
                  you cannot judge someone's taste
                  everyone is different and everyone likes different things. you cannot and absolutely cannot force someone or make someone buy/use something they don't like
                  fanboy or not!

                    Djellal, 19 Oct 2024This should come at no extra cost? Yeah go tell that to ap... moreyes we should, you're being an immature fanboy and can't look at things on a grander scale. not my fault. good day to you and good bye, i don't wanna waste more time here with you.

                      Darth Caesium, 19 Oct 2024Oh and it gets even worse when they downgraded the X200 Pro... moreyou're being too harsh. i never said this is a bad release or sc*mmy from vivo. The pricing is just a tad bad and makes me worry about the future, that's all.

                      I've seen a few videos from youtubers who talked about this and even read gsmarena's article and they never said it's better than the LYT-900 but it RIVALS the X100 Pro's IMX989.


                      case in point, from GSMarena's X200 Pro announcement article : "It's technically a step down from the 1-inch camera of the X100 Pro series, but vivo claims the new sensor rivals the bigger sensor in photo capture and surpasses it in video."

                      so, they only claimed to "rival" the IMX989. Be careful, these are marketing terms. They're saying rival, that could mean it's 80% of that 1 incher or 95% even, we may never know. And surpassing video capabilities is understandable, phone video is 80% software processing, iPhones are an excellent example of this.

                      Also, there IS evidence that suggests that LYT sensors are better. The main question is what EXACTLY makes them better but i have a few theories. Firstly, they're built on an advanced node so maybe that makes the camera magically better at taking photos? Secondly, since it is a more advanced sensor, there might be better algorithms and those algorithms could allow better photos by themselves like better quad bayer-ing and stuff. Finally, I think these sensors allow better processing capabilities, and since Vivo's basically the king of smartphone processing AND now that they have the V3+ chip over here, the phone may be taking phones actually 90-95% as good as the X100 Pro despite being so behind in terms of size.

                      And if you want to see why I came to this conclusion, watch LL Techview's video : "Vivo X100 Pro vs X100 Ultra - Vivo is the camera king!", for example at 19:00 minutes.

                      My main issue is the fact that even though this sensor is 1/1.28" and "advanced" all that jazz, it's not even f/1.4 in terms of aperture nor does this have variable aperture like the 14 Pro had lol, kinda weird but Vivo's processing MOGS Xiaomi so there's that

                        jiyen235, 19 Oct 2024>better screen, battery, design, video recording and pho... moreThis should come at no extra cost?
                        Yeah go tell that to apple Samsung and Google's of the world
                        I knew people will stick the "no more 1" downgrad" formula and unsee all the other major upgrades lmao.
                        Even oppo is treating her pro poorly this year, oneplus is nothing special either, vivo is simply doing the best right now and we shall appreciate that

                          Djellal, 19 Oct 2024Vivo improved almost everything comapred to the vivo x100 p... moreHaving a quad micro-curved display instead of a dual curved display doesn't cost them extra. You're right with the battery tech, but that's about it. They have increased their prices, so they better not start downgrading the main camera like that when it should be covering the extra costs from using the 200MP 85mm telephoto. Plus, part of the expense of that telephoto setup comes from the fact that the module was initially produced in limited quantities, so the prices should decrease from the increased economies of scale that we're having now (other companies are rumoured to use this setup as well).

                          Also, they still have that pathetic selfie camera setup with the annoyingly wide 20mm focal length (annoying in that its usefulness is somewhat limited compared to a more normal focal length) paired with a woefully inadequate 32MP sensor. They do all of this when their V40 series uses a Samsung ISOCELL JN1 sensor. Hell, Vivo is using that same sensor for the second year running for their flagship phones' ultrawides, so why not also use it on their selfie? The JN1 is such a widely used sensor that it's become very cheap, so I doubt it would cost Vivo anything more than a few more cents to use it.

                            Aierlan, 19 Oct 2024I agree. The x200 is almost the same as last year apart fro... moreDamn, if all brands increase the price then we're getting a new round of smartphone price inflation. Those will be dark times!

                            I hope this is just a slow year. I think the main issue is the fact that chinese brands are going for a uniform look this year, which is a new era for them. From curved back, front and sides to flat sides, mostly flat screens and slightly curved back. This seems to be "the new look" everyone's going for. Additionally i heard phones might be getting ultrasonic scanners too, so there's that. Then finally, there's the added cost of using better/improving Si/C battery technology. The first gen stuff only came out in top tier flagships like the Magic6 Pro, Magic V3, Mate XT Ultimate and also the X100 Ultra. Even though we're getting this tech in "lower" tier flagships, maybe the cost is staying the same. Maybe this is second gen Si/C battery too so that could've led to higher costs as well. I'm just speculating lol, i understand there's numerous costs but it just "seems" like a lackluster year to have price hikes on.

                            ehh i think it's a good move to move away from 12 gb models but yeah, having a big price hike undoes that good move lmao like if the price jump from 12/256 to 16/512 was more consistent/less expensive it'd have been a really nice, good faith move but yeah, i agree this seems like a way to squeeze more profits. This seems like a money making year for them, too many innovations for the past few years and now they wanna chill lmao

                            also, WOAH WHAT?? The Mini is worse even on first impressions? I have a theory for that i think, MAYBE because the X200 Pro is going to be the most covered phone of the bunch, they decided to optimize it the most at launch so that reviews are nice. I think this is one of the best smartphone launches of recent times, on par with the X100 Pro, every other phone needed a month before it became stable. This is stable and consistent 90% of the time, even before launch! So yeah maybe they focused on the X200 Pro only. Also, the base X200 has a smaller sensor and i've seen a trend where smaller sensor shots always look less natural. 1/1.3" or larger sensors provide a natural look and feel imo.

                              Anonymous, 19 Oct 2024We don't know the price difference between d9300 and d... moreIt's 40 dollars I suppose. They have used top UFS 4.0 storage as well. New customised sensor.

                                jiyen235, 19 Oct 2024After a month Xiaomi, Oppo and Oneplus will come out with t... moreBro u still realize this phone is noticably cheaper then the ultra? While being better everywhere that's not camera, and in camera it's a hit and miss, it depends if vivo will scale down all the new features to the ultra
                                The x200p is a much better phone overall with slightly worse but still good camera hardware and clearly better software and more powerful processing.
                                Again the ultra is still to this date more expensive xD so what do you want them to do, ultra was only realized in may cmon

                                  Aierlan, 19 Oct 2024I agree. The x200 is almost the same as last year apart fro... moreVivo X200 Pro is excellent device. Everything is used top notch.

                                    Djellal, 19 Oct 2024It's only 750$ for all this tech How's this a ca... moreyou're missing the bigger picture, i can't discuss anything with someone who adamantly doesn't want to listen to the other side.

                                      jiyen235, 19 Oct 2024yeah that's exactly what i think. they made the x100 s... moreIt's only 750$ for all this tech
                                      How's this a cash up.. the x100p was a bit cheaper bit but was heavily focused on camera (photography+++) other areas weren't as refind as the x200p,

                                        Djellal, 19 Oct 2024Vivo improved almost everything comapred to the vivo x100 p... moreAfter a month Xiaomi, Oppo and Oneplus will come out with their own upgraded phones. Except for the super cool zoom lens, Vivo will be basically on par with everyone else. The battery, chip and display technologies are basically shared amongst them. Charger and case come with others as well.

                                        I'm not being too critical of only Vivo, i'm gonna be the same with the other companies, even more critical with others considering the fact that i'm actually a vivo fanboy lol.

                                        I'm not trying to be rude with you, im just saying it in a matter of fact manner. These upgrades are done by every other company and the only thing separating them are software, camera/camera features and design. They're literally doing nothing special with these upgrades. Again, the telephoto is THE BEST in business but i doubt it's going to be more expensive than the LYT-900. That cam is only available in 3 phones and all of them are Ultras. Vivo was able to bring the HP9 down to a Pro model. And the sensor's been used for a year now so ofc prices are lower now as well. So overall, the price shouldn't be too significant. Contrast this with last year where they literally kind of pioneered a telephoto cam with macro capabilities and brought the best zoom cam on any phone WHILST having the 1 incher.

                                        SO yeah. there's that. I'm just repeating my words now from the other comments lol

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