vivo X200 and X200 Pro are now on sale

19 October 2024
The X200 Pro mini is still on pre-orders.

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jiyen235, 17 hours ago>better screen, battery, design, video recording and pho... moreIf you view the price hike only from a consumer lens I understand

But what about from a production stand point?

+Early adoption of si/c batteries

+ D9400 co development / first to launch privilege And from what I understand Vivo's v3 isp chip is now directly incorporated into the d9400

+ Potential Zeiss negotiation changes

Are there other variables that we aren't considering that Vivo needs to recoup costs for

Bill of materials isn't the only thing to think about

    The X200 series looks very promising especially with it's price (yes,I know it will get more expensive once it becomes global) and maybe Vivo becomes one of the top 5 sellers globally with the V series and X series

      jiyen235, 15 hours agoyes we should, you're being an immature fanboy and can... moreWe're not about, nothing's personal here dear friend chill 🤣

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        just take my money already!
        you cannot judge someone's taste
        everyone is different and everyone likes different things. you cannot and absolutely cannot force someone or make someone buy/use something they don't like
        fanboy or not!

          Djellal, 16 hours agoThis should come at no extra cost? Yeah go tell that to ap... moreyes we should, you're being an immature fanboy and can't look at things on a grander scale. not my fault. good day to you and good bye, i don't wanna waste more time here with you.

            Darth Caesium, 16 hours agoOh and it gets even worse when they downgraded the X200 Pro... moreyou're being too harsh. i never said this is a bad release or sc*mmy from vivo. The pricing is just a tad bad and makes me worry about the future, that's all.

            I've seen a few videos from youtubers who talked about this and even read gsmarena's article and they never said it's better than the LYT-900 but it RIVALS the X100 Pro's IMX989.


            case in point, from GSMarena's X200 Pro announcement article : "It's technically a step down from the 1-inch camera of the X100 Pro series, but vivo claims the new sensor rivals the bigger sensor in photo capture and surpasses it in video."

            so, they only claimed to "rival" the IMX989. Be careful, these are marketing terms. They're saying rival, that could mean it's 80% of that 1 incher or 95% even, we may never know. And surpassing video capabilities is understandable, phone video is 80% software processing, iPhones are an excellent example of this.

            Also, there IS evidence that suggests that LYT sensors are better. The main question is what EXACTLY makes them better but i have a few theories. Firstly, they're built on an advanced node so maybe that makes the camera magically better at taking photos? Secondly, since it is a more advanced sensor, there might be better algorithms and those algorithms could allow better photos by themselves like better quad bayer-ing and stuff. Finally, I think these sensors allow better processing capabilities, and since Vivo's basically the king of smartphone processing AND now that they have the V3+ chip over here, the phone may be taking phones actually 90-95% as good as the X100 Pro despite being so behind in terms of size.

            And if you want to see why I came to this conclusion, watch LL Techview's video : "Vivo X100 Pro vs X100 Ultra - Vivo is the camera king!", for example at 19:00 minutes.

            My main issue is the fact that even though this sensor is 1/1.28" and "advanced" all that jazz, it's not even f/1.4 in terms of aperture nor does this have variable aperture like the 14 Pro had lol, kinda weird but Vivo's processing MOGS Xiaomi so there's that

              jiyen235, 17 hours ago>better screen, battery, design, video recording and pho... moreThis should come at no extra cost?
              Yeah go tell that to apple Samsung and Google's of the world
              I knew people will stick the "no more 1" downgrad" formula and unsee all the other major upgrades lmao.
              Even oppo is treating her pro poorly this year, oneplus is nothing special either, vivo is simply doing the best right now and we shall appreciate that

                Djellal, 16 hours agoVivo improved almost everything comapred to the vivo x100 p... moreHaving a quad micro-curved display instead of a dual curved display doesn't cost them extra. You're right with the battery tech, but that's about it. They have increased their prices, so they better not start downgrading the main camera like that when it should be covering the extra costs from using the 200MP 85mm telephoto. Plus, part of the expense of that telephoto setup comes from the fact that the module was initially produced in limited quantities, so the prices should decrease from the increased economies of scale that we're having now (other companies are rumoured to use this setup as well).

                Also, they still have that pathetic selfie camera setup with the annoyingly wide 20mm focal length (annoying in that its usefulness is somewhat limited compared to a more normal focal length) paired with a woefully inadequate 32MP sensor. They do all of this when their V40 series uses a Samsung ISOCELL JN1 sensor. Hell, Vivo is using that same sensor for the second year running for their flagship phones' ultrawides, so why not also use it on their selfie? The JN1 is such a widely used sensor that it's become very cheap, so I doubt it would cost Vivo anything more than a few more cents to use it.

                  Aierlan, 18 hours agoI agree. The x200 is almost the same as last year apart fro... moreDamn, if all brands increase the price then we're getting a new round of smartphone price inflation. Those will be dark times!

                  I hope this is just a slow year. I think the main issue is the fact that chinese brands are going for a uniform look this year, which is a new era for them. From curved back, front and sides to flat sides, mostly flat screens and slightly curved back. This seems to be "the new look" everyone's going for. Additionally i heard phones might be getting ultrasonic scanners too, so there's that. Then finally, there's the added cost of using better/improving Si/C battery technology. The first gen stuff only came out in top tier flagships like the Magic6 Pro, Magic V3, Mate XT Ultimate and also the X100 Ultra. Even though we're getting this tech in "lower" tier flagships, maybe the cost is staying the same. Maybe this is second gen Si/C battery too so that could've led to higher costs as well. I'm just speculating lol, i understand there's numerous costs but it just "seems" like a lackluster year to have price hikes on.

                  ehh i think it's a good move to move away from 12 gb models but yeah, having a big price hike undoes that good move lmao like if the price jump from 12/256 to 16/512 was more consistent/less expensive it'd have been a really nice, good faith move but yeah, i agree this seems like a way to squeeze more profits. This seems like a money making year for them, too many innovations for the past few years and now they wanna chill lmao

                  also, WOAH WHAT?? The Mini is worse even on first impressions? I have a theory for that i think, MAYBE because the X200 Pro is going to be the most covered phone of the bunch, they decided to optimize it the most at launch so that reviews are nice. I think this is one of the best smartphone launches of recent times, on par with the X100 Pro, every other phone needed a month before it became stable. This is stable and consistent 90% of the time, even before launch! So yeah maybe they focused on the X200 Pro only. Also, the base X200 has a smaller sensor and i've seen a trend where smaller sensor shots always look less natural. 1/1.3" or larger sensors provide a natural look and feel imo.

                    Anonymous, 17 hours agoWe don't know the price difference between d9300 and d... moreIt's 40 dollars I suppose. They have used top UFS 4.0 storage as well. New customised sensor.

                      jiyen235, 16 hours agoAfter a month Xiaomi, Oppo and Oneplus will come out with t... moreBro u still realize this phone is noticably cheaper then the ultra? While being better everywhere that's not camera, and in camera it's a hit and miss, it depends if vivo will scale down all the new features to the ultra
                      The x200p is a much better phone overall with slightly worse but still good camera hardware and clearly better software and more powerful processing.
                      Again the ultra is still to this date more expensive xD so what do you want them to do, ultra was only realized in may cmon

                        Aierlan, 18 hours agoI agree. The x200 is almost the same as last year apart fro... moreVivo X200 Pro is excellent device. Everything is used top notch.

                          Djellal, 16 hours agoIt's only 750$ for all this tech How's this a ca... moreyou're missing the bigger picture, i can't discuss anything with someone who adamantly doesn't want to listen to the other side.

                            jiyen235, 17 hours agoyeah that's exactly what i think. they made the x100 s... moreIt's only 750$ for all this tech
                            How's this a cash up.. the x100p was a bit cheaper bit but was heavily focused on camera (photography+++) other areas weren't as refind as the x200p,

                              Djellal, 16 hours agoVivo improved almost everything comapred to the vivo x100 p... moreAfter a month Xiaomi, Oppo and Oneplus will come out with their own upgraded phones. Except for the super cool zoom lens, Vivo will be basically on par with everyone else. The battery, chip and display technologies are basically shared amongst them. Charger and case come with others as well.

                              I'm not being too critical of only Vivo, i'm gonna be the same with the other companies, even more critical with others considering the fact that i'm actually a vivo fanboy lol.

                              I'm not trying to be rude with you, im just saying it in a matter of fact manner. These upgrades are done by every other company and the only thing separating them are software, camera/camera features and design. They're literally doing nothing special with these upgrades. Again, the telephoto is THE BEST in business but i doubt it's going to be more expensive than the LYT-900. That cam is only available in 3 phones and all of them are Ultras. Vivo was able to bring the HP9 down to a Pro model. And the sensor's been used for a year now so ofc prices are lower now as well. So overall, the price shouldn't be too significant. Contrast this with last year where they literally kind of pioneered a telephoto cam with macro capabilities and brought the best zoom cam on any phone WHILST having the 1 incher.

                              SO yeah. there's that. I'm just repeating my words now from the other comments lol

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                                erotavlas, 16 hours agowe do but it's just less convenient, also no support, ... moreI had to scroll so far up to see a reply that wasn't dumber than a box of rocks.

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                                  Djellal, 16 hours agoLYT900 is kinda LYT818 but at one inch size The old imx989... moreYou mean dual conversion gain?

                                    Darth Caesium, 16 hours agoRegardless, the IMX989 and the LYT-900 have almost no tangi... moreLYT900 is kinda LYT818 but at one inch size
                                    The old imx989 is innefecient in comparison + i don't think it has staggered hdr either, I'm not even sure if it can do 4k120 natively, and it's nothing special in video if the phone can't process every frame as good as the new sensor due to higher power consumption plus naturally lower dynamic range
                                    The old 1" may edge the new lyt818 in very niche scenario, while the the new one is imo a better all rounder
                                    Also 1" without variable aperture is just MEH i have the x100p and i struggle with closeup shots, there's some sort of focus haunting and the depth of field is too strong and I can't change that because no variable aperture.

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                                      erotavlas, 16 hours agowe do but it's just less convenient, also no support, ... moreFrequent band 71 omission

                                        Anonymous, 16 hours agoin north america you don't have internet and cards to ... morewe do but it's just less convenient, also no support, and usually they lack some network bands (even in the so called 'global' versions)

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