Apple iPhone 3G S available, no mile-long queues this time
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- Andrew Tan
- tV4
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009Well,
the build quality of that china phone were not rea... moreWe don't have such habit here. 4 number?! oh my god! most people here hold 1 number and the most 2 numbers, one personal, one for business.
Huawei at least is a branded china phone. I mean those unbranded china clone phone is ready bad.
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- Anonymous
- uEx
- 20 Jun 2009
Andrew Tan, 20 Jun 2009Thanks for the information, but I hardly seen others brand ... moreWell,
the build quality of that china phone were not really good, but for some low income ppl, this phone is a dream come true.
I'm a middle-upper class. I have 3 phone number and 3 hand phone. my dad have 4 number 4 hand phone. my mom got 2 number 2 phone, my wife 2 number 2 phone. cousin/aunt/uncle/friend... most of them have at least 2 number 2 phone. some have as much as 5 phone.
BUT....
I have 3 domestic helper (it is very common in Indonesia to have a domestic helper), 1 driver. the driver have 2 number 1 phone. He exchange his card if he want to phone to his friend/family. My domestic helper each have more than 1 number, but only 1 phone. 2 of them using those china phone, and she's very happy with it. The other domestic helper (that were using Huawei brand, 1 card only though...) were intend to sell her phone and change to that 2 card or 3 card china phone in the future.
So, these china made 2 or 3 card 2 or 3 on at the same time having their own market.
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- Anonymous
- uEx
- 20 Jun 2009
I forget to add this.
mms is very popular here. I'm using a prepaid and got free 1000 mms each month as long as my card were in active period.
so, The inability that a good iphone to send mms is making iphone brand becoming a bad brand.
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- Andrew Tan
- tV4
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009Hi there,
lg, samsung & se were also quite popular in in... moreThanks for the information, but I hardly seen others brand (I do seen but the model is not that new and less).
I thought those is Indonesia phone, it also from China ah, Malaysia also a lot of China clone phone but not ready selling. It is cheap but it is yark.....
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- Anonymous
- uEx
- 20 Jun 2009
Andrew Tan, 20 Jun 2009I do travel to Indonesia. As what I seen, Indonesia only se... moreHi there,
lg, samsung & se were also quite popular in indonesia. Nokia just have around 40-45 percent market share. Never reach 50 percent.
the unknown brand in indonesia is a rebrand chinese phone. This factory here basically just bought the phone from china in bulk and do the packaging here. These lots of unknown brand is now accounting 15percent market share due to a very low price and dual sim card dual on or triple sim card triple on. A dual gsm/gsm or gsm/cdma were sold as low as 70usd. A triple card/ triple on that have dvb tv were sold around 200usd. If you wanna a winmo dual card it cost you around 300usd. It's all a rebranded chinese phone.
and i'm not saying that iphone is not popular because it's touch phone. It's unpopular bcos it need us to be post paid user, and the monthly fee were too high for average user, and it will lock us to single provider.
fyi, 40percent of nokia comunicator were sold in indonesia, so indonesia do have lots of user that were willing to shell out lots of money for good product, but telkomsel only manage to sell less than 1000 iphone in 1 month....... Go figure
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- Andrew Tan
- tV4
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009Hi all,
I'm the dude that still waiting for any klingon ... moreI do travel to Indonesia. As what I seen, Indonesia only sell (90%) Nokia, you hardly seen any brand (Example SE, Samsung, LG) selling at Indonesia. (Do have some unknown brand to me - I assume is local Indonesian phone)
Others phone already can't sell / get in Indonesia, don't mention about iPhone then.
iPhone is not as what you said that difficult to use. It is not a brilliant phone, but it not that bad. Beside iPhone, more and more people go for touch phone. You travel a lot to Malaysia and Singapore and I believe you do seen surrounding you is having a touch phone now.
Anyway I am from Malaysia. Malaysia iPhone also can't sell due to few reason below:
- Malaysia the only operator "Maxis" that bring in the iPhone but in wrong timing, they just bring in iPhone 3G last two months.
- The 2 years contract by Maxis is over price, We still need to paid RM 1K(euro $200) to RM 2K(euro $400) after subscribe to the over price contract which cost monthly payment of RM 300+ (euro $60) but no unlimited data access (internet).
With above contract, how many people will go and take iPhone? Some more average monthly use in our country is around RM 100 (euro $20) to RM 200(euro $40).
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- Anonymous
- uEx
- 20 Jun 2009
Hi all,
I'm the dude that still waiting for any klingon language support on any phone.
I'm really surprise to see that this thread can go a mile longs. This iphone vs. nokia vs. bluebery is becoming a religus war. :(
Anyway.
I'm a nokia user located in Indonesia.
I want to share my opinion and etc with you all.
1. Why nokia winning a battle in anywhere else (not usa). The market in anywhere else is different than in USA. In my country there were a 11 celular provider, and lots of user have MORE than 1 handphone. because on-net (that using the same cellular provider) call are cheap as dirt but off-net call is very expensive. And the inablilty for iphone to change sim card daunting the success of iphone in Indonesia. Here, no one really care about iphone. The sale of iphone is very bad that telkomsel (the only provider that sold iphone) is very shy to speak about it.
2. In asian country, SMS were very popular. There were a lot of pre-paid card (98% of Indonesian use pre-paid card because they don't like to be tie with a single provider) that gives lots of FREE SMS every day/month. And SMS is dirt cheap. And teenager here is texting their SMS while not looking at the phone screen. Therefore, no body care about iphone. Because iphone touch screen phone is troublesome to use.
3. A ARPU (average use per user) in Indonesia is between US$ 1 - US$ 5. With iphone pricing model (US$199 but must subscribe to the post-paid) we ended up paying US$ 30-US$80 /month. So, no one really care about iphone here.
4. Most of the middle class in Indonesia do travel to singapore, malaysia, and other place quite a lot. With iphone, you must use the roaming, which is not an option for middle class. Therefore, middle class don't care about iphone too.
So,
That's why iphone is not a big success in Indonesia like in USA.
And there were lots of Europian that have a country side by side with another country and must travel to other country. that's why iphone is not a good seller.
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- Anonymous
- P%n
- 20 Jun 2009
[deleted post]You posed this question:-
"So what problem exactly does a touchscreen UI supposed to solve? Nothing."
Nothing except over 40 International keyboards on the one device, including Arabic, Russian, Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), Japanese, Greek, Hebrew, Thai and a lot more, which can be flicked between in less than a second.
That list that was made in 2007 is now very outdated.
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- Dean
- Uij
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009"How many people needs Dual Sim?- People who trave abroad."... more"What the point having it if the touch is so great.- Not great enough for long and lots of email" Long emails? Dude, I didn't buy the iphone to replace my laptop. Lengthy emails is a pain on any smartphone. Use your laptop.
What's the point of your emailing on your laptop if you don't have any internet connection around? Do you carry your laptop everywhere, e.g. shopping, family gathering, etc... Cos I hardly see anyone around that does that. A phone is a much lighter/faster/longer lasting (boot time of laptop and battery) alternative.
"Who needs stylus? Designers and architects for drawings". Dude, designers and architects do not use their smartphone to create their work or designs. They use real computers, or at least a laptop for pete's sake. Plus a hardware keyboard is faster, and more efficient than software ones, crucial to certain individuals.
Well it's a great alternative or much more efficient than keyboard, many people who wish to write characters, e.g. alphanumeric, asian characters, etc.
Lack of multitasking, or the minimal multitasking that's available is a huge disadvantage.
Not saying iPhone is bad or anything, yes it shines above various phones in certain aspects but falls short in others, however, it's not the world's best phone as you argue it to be.
"No Removable battery - Ya, is better having it for easy replacement" On ANY phone, you need to go to the store to buy its battery, right? So with the iphone, you go to the Apple Store, buy the battery, and then they replace it for you. That is more convenient if you ask me.
Judging by your argument, seems like you don't listen to reason.
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- makemylogic
- vGU
- 20 Jun 2009
before going for an iphone you might want to look here.
http://makemylogic.com/2009/06/14/apple-iphone-3gs-are-you-serious-the-logic
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- fiftyfourj
- nEx
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009"How many people needs Dual Sim?- People who trave abroad."... moreSamsung omnia HD, nokia N97, most recent windows mobile phones...the list goes on....
The replacement battery idea is such a convenience compared to apple's non-replaceable battery...what are you talking about they don't replace it in store, they get sent away and returned to you for a hefty price leaving you with no phone
USB charging is an excellent idea. You can charge it using your laptop whilst you are in a flight (of course not using the actual phone)
next time argue with facts
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- DeepSpace
- wce
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009poor iphone fans they must be running out of excuses in try... more"poor iphone fans they must be running out of excuses in trying to tell us how good the iphone is which really it isnt. Id probaly give it a 2/10. no mile-long queues this time means some people have actually woken up and relise apple make low grade mobile phones."
Hummm... more worthless comment? Here is a correctly revised version for you:
"poor whatever fanboi you're, you must be running scared and trying desparately with your worthless posting here. I'd give it 2/10 for your affort, for you have never had any queue in anything you ever used and actually woken up and realise just how lousy and low grade your mobile phone is!"
Oh! and I know what's your next move! You are going to say you are an iPhone user right? come on.... say i'm right! Just say I'm right! LOL!
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- Anonymous
- 4TA
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009
No DUAL SIM - How many people needs Dual Sim?- People w... more"How many people needs Dual Sim?- People who trave abroad." I travel abroad. What I do is, I remove my AT&T sim and put in the other sim from the country I went to. It's no hassle. Also prevents from accidentally using my AT&T sim which will cost me a lot if ever.
"What the point having it if the touch is so great.- Not great enough for long and lots of email" Long emails? Dude, I didn't buy the iphone to replace my laptop. Lengthy emails is a pain on any smartphone. Use your laptop.
"Who needs stylus? Designers and architects for drawings". Dude, designers and architects do not use their smartphone to create their work or designs. They use real computers, or at least a laptop for pete's sake.
"No Removable battery - Ya, is better having it for easy replacement" On ANY phone, you need to go to the store to buy its battery, right? So with the iphone, you go to the Apple Store, buy the battery, and then they replace it for you. That is more convenient if you ask me.
"What phone low radiation?E90 has low radation ... apple has no idea abt this and is not focussing on this at all". Ok Einstein, show us some figures to prove your point on this one.
"No standard mini usb charger - What the point must be? charge anywgere with any charger... when you travel you will know". Dude, when we travel, we bring our charger with us, so why would i need a standard USB charger. A lot of phones also come with propriety chargers, so please.
If you think that those missing lame features does not make the iphone the greatest phone, then name me a phone that has all of those features + all the features on the iphone.
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- Anonymous
- 4TA
- 20 Jun 2009
Anonymous, 20 Jun 2009No DUAL SIM
No Slide out Qwerty keyboard
No Stylus
No Re... moreNo DUAL SIM - not a lot of people need a dual sim phone, you do, then the iphone is obviously not for you
No Slide out Qwerty keyboard - the iphone already has a soft keyboard. We don't need another one that will make the iphone look thick.
No Stylus - the iphone has a TOUCHscreen. Get the cue from the word TOUCH.
No Removable battery - We don't need to remove the battery for the iphone
Radation ????? Too high - What?
No standard mini usb charger - who cares?
No standard headphone jack - It has a standard headphone jack.
All these prevent making this phone the greatest
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- Anonymous
- S35
- 20 Jun 2009
iPbone im sure that was meant to be iphone
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- 0@m
- 20 Jun 2009
In this price
thers alot... of mobiles,
that are much, much, more better from this crap .
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- Anonymous
- 4TA
- 20 Jun 2009
[deleted post]What's brainless with upgrading from 3G to 3GS? Is it brainless to want to be able to utilize voice commands. Is it brainless to be able to now record videos on top of what great benefits you are already getting on the iphone? Is it brainless to upgrade to a faster phone and web browser? Is it brainless to be able to have maps w/ a compass so you would know your direction right away? It is not. It's only a matter whether you can afford the upgrade or not. Not to mention the 3GS has a smudge and fingerprint resistant screen. So yes, I would benefit a lot if I upgrade to the 3GS and there is nothing brainless about it.
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- Anonymous
- i2j
- 20 Jun 2009
poor iphone fans they must be running out of excuses in trying to tell us how good the iphone is which really it isnt. Id probaly give it a 2/10. no mile-long queues this time means some people have actually woken up and relise apple make low grade mobile phones.