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  • 21 Oct 2021

RandyRiffin, 21 Oct 2021But you seem like you know a lot about tech. Make sure you ... moreI know them, some are good and not too biased. Well, one of them at least. The rest are only in for the highest bider... in my opinion. If you like technology, you first need to find it's roots to be able to understand the future. If you know the roots you begin to understand that not to much of what this so called reviewers hype, is worthy of a hype. A tech reviewer should do a real unbiased and very technical review not this mambo jumbo they do that is nothing else but selling crapp but with charisma, cause all they do is to look on specs on paper, look at the device and talk about nothing usefull, most don't even bother using it for a week. Those kind of reviews could be made by a 12 years old with reach parents. So nope, don't fall to much for them youtube reviewers. There are some good ones but very rare.

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    • 21 Oct 2021

    RandyRiffin, 21 Oct 2021I am young enough to tell you that Nokia may have been one ... moreYeah, well this is the problem of free market, you do it others makes money on it. But as i've said, without Steve Jobs, there would have been a whole lot of another story. He is the prof that you do not need to make advance or remotly unique devices, you just have to know how to make people believe that your producst are unique and better. So then they buy...

      Carol, 20 Oct 2021Capability and costs are two different things.;), if that w... moreYeah, capability definitely doesn't equal price. I think the Dimensity 800U is a cheaper chip than the Snapdragon 765G because it's ISP is not quite as capable. As for the optimization, Mediatek has gotten better. Genshin Impact runs identically on both the 800U and 765G. And the frame rate consistency seems to be on par too. I'm not quite sure why HMD/Nokia doesn't use Mediatek processors on their higher-end phones, especially considering that Dimensity series is a huge improvement from the Helio series of chipsets (Which Nokia uses on their low-end phones). Maybe it's because stock Android works better with Snapdragon processors? But I've seen a UniSOC phone running stock Android just fine, so maybe it's for an another reason.

        Carol, 20 Oct 2021Sorry for asking, but how old are you? Nokia is the one bra... moreBut you seem like you know a lot about tech. Make sure you keep up with new tech videos that you'll probably enjoy, like MrWhoseTheBoss, PocketNow, Linus Tech Tips, AndroidAuthority you'll like them a lot I'd say.

          Carol, 20 Oct 2021Sorry for asking, but how old are you? Nokia is the one bra... moreI am young enough to tell you that Nokia may have been one of the greatest players in the phone game in the early days and so was LG, HTC and Sony (like remember they made a truckload of innovations) but unfortunately these days, most people don't even know Nokia, HTC, LG and Sony made phones. I knew a bit about LG, but I didn't even know what happened to others. That's just how popular (dare I say overrated) Samsung and iPhones have become, stealing others innovations and capitalising on them. Now you go up to a random person and say, hey what are the big phone brands, they'll say "Samsung and iPhone and uh...". Yeah, iPhones aren't even that good they're expensive, Apple has just been able to make a huge fanbase, now it is one of the staples of phones. People even say when an android has a feature, that it would be great if that features was on an iPhone.

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            • 20 Oct 2021

            RandyRiffin, 20 Oct 2021That's fine, if you prefer Nokia, then go for it. The ... moreI do not agree with that phrase. Price might be important, is tough not the single and not the most important. If would be so, you could pay 19 euros for a feature-phone, who is stopping you? The price is great minding the fact that a phone like that was a 1000 euros back in the 1998. All devices have pros and cons and it all comes down to what you are as a person. Some run for cheap and paper-spected, some try to help the enviroment, some want free of bloatware devices, some what privacy and support, some want security, some want repairability. So nope, those are not the best devices for the price, as they do not fulfil the requirements of all the people. On your perspective, maybe. On mine? not even close to good. I would go for this huge thing, hands down.
            PS you asked about Pixel 6. Well i would rather go for the 5, is not old and has good support and clean android, well pretty much like the 6. The other reason would be that i do not like to spend to much on a device. 700 euros i find way to much for a mobile phone that has nothing new and innovative but more Mhz and that's about it.I cannot see a reason as of why would i change my device, unless it has something else then mine. That would be the 2 devices i mentioned. Fairphone 4 and nokia xr20.

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              • 20 Oct 2021

              RandyRiffin, 20 Oct 2021Well said.👍 I needed something like this. I see you like th... moreSorry for asking, but how old are you? Nokia is the one brand that invented GSM network and mobile technology. The first GSM call made, was with a Nokia device in a nokie made network. I am not talking satellite tech, that is a very different tech and was only used by the army. Yeah Nokia never stopped innovating even after iphone came along and did nothing but selling a worthless slab with screen, as it was capable of nothing at that time and was sold as a smartphone. Jobs was a sell genius. If Apple did not have Jobs, well, the market would have been very different right now. Better competition and less chinaware. Most of the stuff in your device that you might think is new, it was a long time ago on a Nokia device: Night mode photography, living Images (moving), refocusing after taking the picture, OiS, Pixelbidings (first device with that tech was 808 pureview) wireless charging in a smartphone, noise cancellation and powerful mic's that beat anything at that time on the market, you could go to a concert and take a video without that useless sound a device had back that, it was miles away from anything on the market. And the list is veeery long... but well then they got scammed by elop and that is where apple paid big money to grow no matter what the costs (kill competition, go on-top if not, loose as competition is better... sort of thing). hmd did NOT aquire Nokia. Nokia is still on the market but not for the end-customer and not with mobile phones. Their are full enterprise business right now. Just search for NOKIA and read about their stand in 2021. hmd Has licensed Nokia devices division (and name). That means, they are able to use all the intelligence Nokia gathered in all the years they were powerful enough to throw billions into nano-tech and flexible devices, even that has a long list of unspoken achievements. For what maters, Nokia ownes 11% of hmd shares, well at least it did 1 year ago. They also sell hmd made Nokia phones on their website, so they actually also show support to hmd. Or hmd is just their company that is separated just to not affect Nokia as a company if it fails.

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                • 20 Oct 2021

                RustyNaval128, 20 Oct 2021The Dimensity 800U is actually about as capable as the Snap... moreCapability and costs are two different things.;), if that would have not been so, why do you think motorola chose Dimensity 800 instead of snapdragon 765G? It might be designed faster but mediatek's CPUs are known to not be supported by devs. Or better said not enough. So performance might sunk because of that. But as i have said, i did not research that CPU in particular... all i know is that hmd used a mediatek CPU once (ignoring all the 100$ android go devices where it might come up) in their plethora of relesed devices, since then they never used one in a better spected device, they might have a reason...

                  Carol, 19 Oct 2021Did not research Dimensity 800U performance, but there must... moreThat's fine, if you prefer Nokia, then go for it. The phones I mentioned: A52, Redmi Note 10 pro are the best you can get, for the price, as MsWhoseTheBoss said: price is the single most important thing in a phone. I do not know what... but I know that a phone with this little features doesn't cost much to produce, so it should just be sold at a lower price and maybe that will benefit all of us.
                  And your excuse to other phones just having better features is they are "copy paste tracking devices", rather than helping the environment and giving long os support. Aight then.

                    Carol, 19 Oct 2021Yeah, they seem like they don't care for some people (... moreWell said.👍 I needed something like this. I see you like these stock android phones over chinese brands. How do you like the Google Pixel 6 launch?
                    Also, is there a story with hmd? Like did they acquire Nokia, and before Nokia was being innovative but now hmd changed their plan?

                      Carol, 19 Oct 2021Did not research Dimensity 800U performance, but there must... moreThe Dimensity 800U is actually about as capable as the Snapdragon 765G. The reason that Nokia chose the Snapdragon 480 is definitely due to costs.

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                        • 19 Oct 2021

                        RustyNaval128, 19 Oct 2021Hey Carol, I was kinda wondering about something. Does Noki... moreHei. They have some, sadly nothing you can go and see for yourself. If the workers there are good i cannot say, as i am yet to send a device in. They have spair parts but do not sell... not something i am a fan of. What i know is that when you want to repair your device you need to send it in. The device comes with a nokia app that offers all sorts of support, this kind of support being one of them. I would like for them tough to take a more opened attitude on repairability. But well, with 3* years waranty is also not something to neglegt, as in this 3 years at least the battery will need a replacement.

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                          • 19 Oct 2021

                          RandyRiffin, 19 Oct 2021Nah it's ok I'm unbiased not like most people. I&... moreOf course i am actually enjoying arguing with you, as you are by far one of the few persons in nokia comments sections that say something that's constructive agaist hmd and with whom i could actually talk. As for hmd, i waited for them to release another flagship, but i'm afraid they won't do it to soon, because of the reasons i mentioned before. Also i am afraid their flagship will also be huge and i am forced to go somewhere else. I actually have a thing on the fairphone 4 right now or nokia xr20 (even tough is huge, at least i could use it without any case). This are the only devices worth to mention for me, well, maybe that samsung flip... software and quality for the money are tough a bit to meah for my taste, i love the idea and the looks, but well. I almost bought the pixel 5 then out came the fairphone and it got on my list now, but i'll wait for an hmd response as my phone still kicks a?? and is ready for android 11.

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                            • 19 Oct 2021

                            RandyRiffin, 19 Oct 2021If you want great software and updates over anything else (... moreI actually recomand people the x10 over this one. I do not owe this models, i owe nokia 9. It is just annyoing to come here trying to see the news and i stumble too many times uppon bashing comments coming mostly from the same m..., most probably paid m...

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                              • 19 Oct 2021

                              RandyRiffin, 19 Oct 2021My original point, if you haven't read, was that Motor... moreYeah, they seem like they don't care for some people (or maybe a lot), the problem is hmd is quite small company and cannot afford risking doing what Nokia did, to risk and innovate, especially that there are this "brands" that do nothing but wait to see what they can further steal. If you want innovation and evolution then you need to invest in that rare companies that are willing to do so. As far as i can see hmd started aggressive (especially with the bold device that nokia 9 pureview is, by the way, has amoled) but got stucked in a pile of mistakes. Don't get me wrong, my nokia 9 is the most unique device i ever owned besides nokia 3650 and 7610, it stands out from the mass, and is as perfomant as it was, when it was new 2 years ago, but i can see why it does not fit in the avarage user pocket, at the end it was not meant for that. Anway to get back, hmd changed the strategy, from competing against chinese, corean and whuthut brands, to actualy bring a change of mindset in the mobile world, instead of putting hardware on top of hardware what this days is not quite what i would call different, worthy of attention or usefull. They decided to go for longer support and enviroment plus a device that can last that long. I would actually like for them to follow the footsteps of fairphone and bring innovation in that area, that kind of innovation won't be seeing to many clowns stealing as they all go for the quick buck, copy paste, cheap labor "solutions".

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                                • 19 Oct 2021

                                RandyRiffin, 19 Oct 2021Yes, this phone has a 1080p display, not 720p, but that doe... moreDid not research Dimensity 800U performance, but there must be a reason as of why hmd choose SD480, and am sure is not the price, as i do not think the other is more expensive then the snapdragon. I have nothing against motorola as a brand, i just do not want to support the company behind it. But at the end, i could also list a thosend of devices that on paper are better then anything you listed here. I mean, i slowly do not see the point... If one wants to support hmd, that person should be allowed to do so and to be told the pros and cons and personal experience instead of bashing and trash talking (i do not mean you here). This device is quite a good alternative to the mass of copy paste tracking devices comming from the far east, that is why i do not follow your arguements, especially when you say you want nokia devices to get better. Well it has the downside that is huge...

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                                  • 19 Oct 2021

                                  RandyRiffin, 19 Oct 2021But I agree, Xiaomi phones do not have that great software.... moreHm, yes and no. 480 is quite a beast for the price. Of course their is not all milk and sugar but it keeps up with the midrangers and actually beats a lot of them older 600 series CPU's going straight against 700 series. Of course not the newest releases, still, the CPU is quite impressive and i find that the package as a whole is well balanced and performant. Of course not for everybody, who can stand trash software, tracking and does not care about politics and the way devices (and anything else, for that mater), well that person finds xiaomi and chinese brands fair. I am not one of them. I find Fairphone almost fair and a brand that should be supported to become fair for everybody.

                                    Carol, 19 Oct 2021When you talk about eBay second hand products that were use... moreHey Carol, I was kinda wondering about something. Does Nokia have service centers? If so, are they good? Also, what about the Nokia's spare parts availability? I'm asking these because repairability can affect longevity of these phones. It's also the reasons why my 5 year old Galaxy J2 Prime still works after all these years.

                                      Carol, 19 Oct 2021When you talk about eBay second hand products that were use... moreNah it's ok I'm unbiased not like most people. I'll see the difference, just tell me. Remember we are arguing friendly in a website based on tech we all love.
                                      I've had clean software with my Pixel, and it's great, but, you know, sometimes you just wish you had a lot of the features that others have. I'm that sort of guy who upgrades every year or 2, so yeah, having a lot of software support isn't a concern for me, maybe it is for you.

                                        Carol, 19 Oct 2021When you talk about eBay second hand products that were use... moreIf you want great software and updates over anything else (including better displays and performance), then ok. This phone is the best for you, but let me ask you something, what is stopping you from buying a cheaper Nokia like the X10 or G10, or C10? over this X20. I would argue those phones are actually outstanding value, as they are dirt cheap and can compare admirably to the likes of the Redmi 9A and Realme C21 with (as you say) great clean software. But just this Nokia X20 in specific isn't that great of a deal, just because it's priced closer to better alternatives.

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