Mi Note 10 vs. Galaxy Note10+: Do you really need 108MP in a phone?

03 Jan 2020


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YUKI93, 04 Jan 2020I do. Call me old school, but I definitely much prefer hard... moreIf you like something thick in you pocket, why don't you buy a slim Camera(not DSLR) instead of a smartphone ?

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    Panino Manino, 04 Jan 2020There is no "Nona Bayer" array. Quad Bayer exists, but b... moreYou have no idea about the technology, do you ? I bet you don't even know about the quad byer, how it works or how it's implemented.
    Otherwise you wouldn't say that nona byer(9 to 1) will be pure software. byer isn't possible by software.

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      Anonymous, 04 Jan 2020Are you an iPhone user? Because in the Android world, the 4... moreLMAO?

      All cellphones do bokeh by software. If you put a 50mm lens on a full frame camera and adjust aperture to f2.4 you will see blur automatically.

      If you point you cellphone cam 52mm f2.4 to someone, nothing will happen until you select portrait mode. Without portrait mode, you still see whole background perfectly.

      Because of the crop factor, devices like s10, xperia 1 and iphone 11 pro need f0.1 for their "telephoto" to achieve true bokeh.
      If you use main camera for bokeh (to grab more light) will have face distortion.

      Main proof is the fact all phones' bokeh have same issues. Parts of body cut by the blur (hair, ear, shoulder ) and no blur between fingers ...

        Ok,that 108MP camera is brand new,a product of Xiaomi/Samsung collaboration..Second generation of that camera will be in Galaxy S20 and I believe it'll be a great thing.But the new Mi10 Pro will have the same sensor for half the price....that's the one to go...

          There is a reason why there are none 1/1.3" 12mp sensors.

            AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020And a pixel size of 1.2 micro meter compared to 1.8 .. That... moreI don't know where did you find the number 1.8 or 1.2. most probably it's 1.6 when merges 4 to 1 & then it's no more 108MP, when it's 9 to 1 then it's only 12MP. And native large pixel sensors are better than quad bayers. 1/1.5" 6000x4000 will result in around 1.4-1.55 microns and will capture more details and same or better dynamic range and lights then quad bayers. I'm tired of 4:3 12MP cameras.

              I really can't understand the article. You are struggling to demonstrate the quality of the Xiaomi solution, but you are failing at that. The Galaxy is better in any single shot, if you don't look at 100% magnification (which is completely useless unless you are not going to print at 100x100 cm posters). Huawei already demonstrated that a big sensor is useless without proper software. Samsung, Google and Apple can deliver. Chinese manufacturers can't.

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                Anonymous, 03 Jan 2020True bokeh? There is no true bokeh on phones. True boke... moreAre you an iPhone user? Because in the Android world, the 48 / 64MP cameras have been able to give true bokeh for a while now.

                Bokeh is affected by sensor size and focal length, yes, but also affected by aperture, pixel size, and distance. You need to take the pixel size into account if you want to do a phone to FF camera comparison.

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                  No one gives a damn for the color accuracy. I want my photos to have max zoom and a lot of details. Will swap my galaxy note 10+ with Vivo nex 3

                    Anonymous, 03 Jan 2020True bokeh? There is no true bokeh on phones. True boke... moreYeah, the "true bokeh" is not true at all but I bet that what the he/she meant was the shallow DoF.

                      Panino Manino, 04 Jan 2020There is no "Nona Bayer" array. Quad Bayer exists, but b... moreNona-Bayer can exist if Samsung wanted to. Also interpolation is totally different from pixel-binning so saying that Nona-Bayer implementation is "just pure software interpolation" is already a false statement.

                        Panino Manino, 04 Jan 2020There is no "Nona Bayer" array. Quad Bayer exists, but b... moreThere is "Nona Bayer" arrangement, that will be in the 108MP lens of Samsung's upcoming S20. About being pure software interpolation, we have to wait for that as there are sources telling that the arrangement will be done from the hardware.

                          AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020808 was thick. None wants that much thick phone this day.I do. Call me old school, but I definitely much prefer hardware physics over software algorithm. Yes, you can say to me about buying a proper DSLR camera. I've already done that and decided not to venture into it again.

                            Bigger sensor size will definitely give a much sharper and more detailed photo. But that said, smartphone cameras of today rely on software algorithm and that is a question of hit or miss. That, I'm afraid, is where Xiaomi got it wrong. Look at the people on Scene 2, it's an oversharpened mess.

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                              Anonymous, 04 Jan 2020He is not wrong. These types of sensors are made to boost ... moreHow much one can be wrong ? Not more than you. Copying hardware isn't possible. There is something called patent if you didn't know. And Sony made separate sensor for Samsung all the time. It's possible that Sony made those sensor based on Samsung's design.

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                                Truth Sayer, 03 Jan 2020Only Indians will say yes.Time will tell.

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                                  sohail shafayat, 03 Jan 2020I really don't need a 108MP camera on a smartphone. I just ... moreAnd a pixel size of 1.2 micro meter compared to 1.8 .. That won't give good result against the quad byer or Samsung 9 to 1 byer.

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                                    Fairlady Z, 03 Jan 2020It's Will Be Great To See Mobile World Now Coming Close Eve... more808 was thick. None wants that much thick phone this day.

                                      Anonymous, 03 Jan 2020Except Zeiss nor Leica make lenses for cellphones. Just So... moreBut I prefer zeiss to others

                                        Anonymous, 04 Jan 2020You have zero knowledge of how Quad Bayer sensor works. Le... moreThere is no "Nona Bayer" array.

                                        Quad Bayer exists, but beyond this is just pushing the branding a bit too much. That "Nona" is pure software interpolation.

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