Mi Note 10 vs. Galaxy Note10+: Do you really need 108MP in a phone?

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harwey, 04 Jan 2020Gossip?Obviously you don't read articles here at GSMA on a ... moreYeah.. I saw that post and I ignored it. Xiaomi doesn't have capabilities for making sensor. If Samsung would take any help from anyone it would be someone with experience. I have never heard Xiaomi doing anything about sensor or anything about camera.
So, I believe what GSMARENA said or what based on it was said was a false statement.

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    Shui8, 04 Jan 2020'That's what has been causing problem to Huawei's phones.' ... moreMay be I need. But it's true that, Huawei did good in low light but lost in many areas for the image processing. It's not that only I am saying it. I don't test phones. Other does. What I do is test/see the samples they gave. Where I saw Huawei phones struggle in many scene. Just because of imperfect software processing.

      gsmarena: do you want to know who has the best camera?
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        Bigger pixel does not make sensor thicker.
        Pixel gets larger in axes Y and X, not Z.
        Looks like Quadbayer are cheaper than Bayer of same size.

        Quadbayer/Tetracell/4-cell and this Isocell Bright have pixel merging at hardware level, not software like what is seen on OP6T and LG G7 " night modes".

        They are made to do real time HDR by using different exposures. It is not just about making pixels bigger for better Noise performance.

          YUKI93, 04 Jan 2020Perhaps that everyone is now going crazy with pixel binning... moreHigh resolution matters more, that's why 3mp is by interpolation on bayer made into 12mp and with stacking made into 48mp. Even if its work of multiple frames and guess, output looks way better than just 3mp with all real color detail in one moment.
          Pixel binning and quad/.. bayer is great, but its not answer to everything, there is limit to thickness, thats why there is need to also advance sensor way more to bring more quality at smaller size than to just trying to bring bigger pixels at this still ridiculously small size. Using multiple sensors for better quality and different fov is also the only way how to counter thickness, you wouldn't want tele or even ordinary lens protruding on flat phone like its on mirrorless.

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            AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020Sorry for the 1.8(though there is one 0.9 byer sensor) I wa... more'That's what has been causing problem to Huawei's phones.'

            You have a lot things to learn, junior. Huawei's pioneered Quad Bayer system since P20 and improving each iteration. I find their image processing is way way better than any Samsung processing (which below Google, Apple & Huawei).

            Back to this thread's topic, looks like Mi Note 10 made a good use of the big sensor (better than Galaxy Note 10 on most aspects), just held back by mediocre lens. Samsung's upper hand are their wider dynamic range in Auto. Other than that, yuck.

              AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020Samsung/Xiaomi collaboration is just a online gossip/rumors... moreGossip?Obviously you don't read articles here at GSMA on a regular basis.Isocell bright HMX 108MP sensor was developed by Samsung and Xiaomi together..It is logical that Samsung didn't use that sensor in their phones without proper testing,optimization.. that's why Mi Note 10 used it first so Samsung can install the second generation of that sensor,better,improved, in their upcoming flagship models....

                AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020Sorry for the 1.8(though there is one 0.9 byer sensor) I wa... moreNot 1/2.5" but 1/1.5" 24MP, remember the Lumia1020, that has a 1/1.5" sensor and 41MP 1.12 micron . If you fit 24MP O on a 1/1.5 micron them the pixel size will be around 1.5 micron. Thickness should be an issue, phones are enough thick these days to house the sensor

                  Well... I think I'm getting picky right now. This comparison is getting 3 points out of 10 of my scale.
                  Comparisons are made of 'we like this better... '. The problem is that is as subjective as it gets. So despite having the shots to compare, the article falls in a low quality category...

                  You used to do better.

                    vrvly, 04 Jan 2020There is a reason why there are none 1/1.3" 12mp sensors.Perhaps that everyone is now going crazy with pixel binning. I'm sure such native configuration can be made. Heck, Panasonic has no problem slapping in a native 20MP camera with a 1-inch sensor on their smartphone when they made the Lumix CM1.

                      AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020If you like something thick in you pocket, why don't you bu... moreYou'll find that a problem back again because you have to buy a phone, which means bringing that two devices together. Wise idea? I don't think so.

                        AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020Because the sensor will be much thick to fit in a Smartphone. Mi Note 10 has a 1/1.33" sensor, so that's definitely not the reason.

                          AnonD-754814, 04 Jan 2020Actually Samsung has already proved it with it's galaxy S7.Umm... have they? And even if they have with S7, how is it anything to do with the image quality on their current flagship smartphones, which falls behind Google, Apple and Huawei?

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                            Nick Tagataka, 04 Jan 2020Care to explain how Note 10+'s shot is better than Mi Note ... moreActually Samsung has already proved it with it's galaxy S7.

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                              Jacktackle , 04 Jan 2020No one gives a damn for the color accuracy. I want my phot... moreColor accuracy is one thing, oversatured overprocessed photos is another thing. Then again, you can just shoot in RAW with the Galaxy and get the best of it, if you edit the photos afterwards.

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                                vrvly, 04 Jan 2020There is a reason why there are none 1/1.3" 12mp sensors.Because the sensor will be much thick to fit in a Smartphone.

                                  MaxSmarties, 04 Jan 2020I really can't understand the article. You are struggling t... moreCare to explain how Note 10+'s shot is better than Mi Note 10 in any way, apart from slightly wider dynamic range? The difference in detail is immediately noticeable if you start looking at photos from each phone on 7 inch or larger display, even without fully zooming in. Probably you're a type of person who favours vibrant colours over natural tones, but that doesn't make Note 10+'s images objectively superiour ones.

                                  "Huawei already demonstrated that a big sensor is useless without proper software"
                                  "Chinese manufacturers can't"
                                  More like Huawei demonstrated how having both large sensor and good software processing gives them an advantage over other companies that only relies on software and skimps on hardware. Apple and Google have already proved us that they can deliver, Samsung hasn't.

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                                    harwey, 04 Jan 2020Ok,that 108MP camera is brand new,a product of Xiaomi/Samsu... moreSamsung/Xiaomi collaboration is just a online gossip/rumors . If it were true, other manufacturer won't be able to use the sensor and Mi note 10 would come with a SD 855/855+ . My best guess is , Samsung won't let anyone bring 108MP true flagship before them. Even though S20 sensor is different, some stupid might think they are they same. I have seen people who believe so.

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                                      sohail shafayat, 04 Jan 2020I don't know where did you find the number 1.8 or 1.2. most... moreSorry for the 1.8(though there is one 0.9 byer sensor) I wanted to write 1.6 .
                                      So, you want a sensor with 1.5 micron pixel size and the sensor itself at what ? 1/2.5" ? That's still a small sensor.
                                      And remember that it might not be possible to make a 12MP sensor bigger without making it thick. There is a reason why manufacturers are going for quad byer. They know better than us. Quad byer isn't outperforming the normal sensor because the big camera smartphone brand aren't into byers yet. If you ask me why. I can't say for sure. But I think, it's for the software optimization. I bet Samsung has been developing camera algorithom for S20 since 2 years. That's what has been causing problem to Huawei's phones.

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                                        YUKI93, 04 Jan 2020There is "Nona Bayer" arrangement, that will be in the 108M... moreIt's not possible by software unless the sensor is a byer.

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