200MP vs 1-inch - testing the best Android phones for photography
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- 27 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 27 Mar 2023oh yeah? then explain why real cameras perform better than ... moreA7R 36mp could easily win over 13mp 1/3" on samsung note3 for stills, but do not forget A7R took FHD while note3 went 4K.
Sony A7R5 got 61mp and 8K now, while S23U 200mp handheld still and 8K on under 1" sensor.
Multiple hdr stacking also improve quality above its size, so its not just about size.
While full size cameras are still on FF, from sensor area size, phones went from 1/55 of FF to 1/7.4 of FF. Resolution also went from 1/3 to 3x of those FF, which makes a difference.
Surely are FF better overall as they are bigger 7 to 8 times and now gained some resolution, but as you see, phones are getting close and sensor size is not the only parameter to amount of light it can gather per one still final output or amount of detail it can capture.
Not to mention that AI in phones now add information that sensor have no way of capturing.
Its not all just sensor size, its all that tech that gets better, going even beyond its physics by using more complex approach.
Thats why even though FF gathers more light per frame, phones with its miniature sensors make wonders. They perform better just because of insane difference, but that difference is getting smaller by each day.
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 27 Mar 2023
Anonymous, 26 Mar 2023Are you saying that current flagship phone cameras are on p... moreNotice that I was specifically pointing to RX100 III and LX50 in my comment - There are "compact cameras" with APS-C or even FF sensors even though they are quite rare, and they will definitely have an upper hand in image quality in low light unless you're shooting in a pitch black where smartphone cameras would do virtually everything to collect as much light as possible (i.e. Night mode).
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- 27 Mar 2023
vrvly, 26 Mar 2023nope, you said sensor size of dslr is more than some comput... moreoh yeah? then explain why real cameras perform better than phone cameras with advanced computation. I'll tell you why: it's because they capture more light because the sensor is physically bigger. You can wax philosophical all you like but the laws of physics will always be absolute, bigger sensors can capture more light and produce a higher quality image.
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- 27 Mar 2023
Anonymous, 27 Mar 2023He doesn't twist your words. His point is that the com... morei never said it was unimportant, I said that phone cameras still suck compared to real cameras even with computation
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- 27 Mar 2023
Nick Tegrataker, 25 Mar 2023Do note that shooting at the maximum aperture settings on b... moreAre you saying that current flagship phone cameras are on par with or superior to high-end digital compact cameras in low-light conditions?
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- Anonymous
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- 27 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 26 Mar 2023phone sensors are still tiny compared to real cameras which... moreHe doesn't twist your words. His point is that the computation is as important as the sensor/aperture. If you think that he is wrong, try to refute his point by providing a counter example, etc.
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- 27 Mar 2023
Olympus Oms, 25 Mar 2023It all depends on the optics and camera app handling. Nothi... moreBro did you even read the article
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- 27 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 25 Mar 2023the only 3rd camera app worth using is modified google cameraMi11 + gcam with 25 frame hdr+ enhanced = amazing pocket camera quality👍👍
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- Anonymous
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- 26 Mar 2023
Nick Tegrataker, 25 Mar 2023Do note that shooting at the maximum aperture settings on b... moreAre you saying that current flagship phone cameras are on par with or superior to high-end digital compact cameras in low-light conditions?
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- 26 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 26 Mar 2023phone sensors are still tiny compared to real cameras which... morenope, you said sensor size of dslr is more than some computation in phone, while its not.
If everything could be decided by just sensor size, we wouldn't have now people taking pictures with phones instead of full size cameras. So called quality of dslr vs stacked picture of much higher resolution with some alternative sensors and AI jumping in, even if inferior in certain aspects, is superior in most of situations of our life. Amount of detail cannot be recreated by quality pixels, I will tell you that.
Full frame cameras are actually quite lucky phones are not with FF inside for now, it would be one sided ''masacre''. - Which however won't be forever - with new design of phones coming - fold/roll.
While it doesn't seem like it with current anti camera centric design, potential for bigger sensors is there and while it wont be FF phone tomorrow, while full size cameras stagnate, phone sensors are getiing bigger and better. Outcome is obvious.
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- Danny
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- 26 Mar 2023
phones with good mobile cameras nowdays, sony xperia pro iii v 2022/ xperia mark 4 2023 mark 5 galaxy s 23 ultra xiaomi 12 s ultra / 13 s ultra / i phone 15 ultra huawei mate xs3 huawei p60 ultra / mate 50 pro all others sucks!
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- Anonymous
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- 26 Mar 2023
If you use the s23 ultra and the 12 ultra, why don't you use the x90 pro+? because the 12 ultra wasn't release globally.
Why auto mode? these high end phones are not for "average" consumers, you could have shoot in raw at least.
Why didn't you use the 200MP mode? it's not activate in auto.
Wich firmware did you use? were the phones updated?
This test is meh because we know that ALL phones have pros and cons but you didn't use them at their best.
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- 26 Mar 2023
vrvly, 26 Mar 2023Well, some time before I would agree, but seeing how bad ca... morephone sensors are still tiny compared to real cameras which is the point i am trying to make don't twist my words and make it sound like I was talking about phone cameras
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- 26 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 25 Mar 2023What are you talking about? I never mentioned $100 anywhere... moreWell, some time before I would agree, but seeing how bad can some phones with big sensor, resolution and aperture get in output due to poor computation, its definitely about as much important.
From my view current 200mp phones have worse computation than some 50mp phones. Though 200mp in samsung case give slight boost in some detail you wouldn't get from 50mp, so its like 200mp with beauty mode, not perfect but good, sharp looking even after zoom in, no 8bit wonder pixel art.
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- 25 Mar 2023
AnonD-454049, 25 Mar 2023What are you talking about? I never mentioned $100 anywhere... moreMy mistake. Thought you're the main guy as you replied to my reply to the other comment.
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MojoTheJester, 25 Mar 2023Definitely would like to see a follow up with Pixel 7 Pro, ... morethe only 3rd camera app worth using is modified google camera
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- 25 Mar 2023
Definitely would like to see a follow up with Pixel 7 Pro, and others, then compare the final results to the ones on here. I have a Pixel 7 Pro, previous phone was a Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro. Can't say I see much difference in end quality, and I've had to download a different camera app so I can take long exposures for star trails. P7P native camera has an 8 second limit on long exposures
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- 25 Mar 2023
brsdrgn, 24 Mar 2023Okay. But that doesn't disprove my point. I wrote that... moreWhat are you talking about? I never mentioned $100 anywhere I am not that guy lmao. I don't even believe a $100 DSLR camera could win but if it were the same price as the phone it definitely will because sensor size/aperture/pixel size is far more important than computation
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- 25 Mar 2023
Olympus Oms, 25 Mar 2023It all depends on the optics and camera app handling. Nothi... moreRealllyy? Two different models of Xiaomi and both of them uses the same sony imx censor and they have the same camera app. So where the difference is coming from genius? Can it be computational power? The have different snapdragon processors. One which have much better ai and much better photography execution! Let's even talk about Vivo which uses the same Snapdragon chip with Xiaomi but uses their own v2 chip on the top of that dedicated for photography especially.
I'll give you even wilder example to open up your eyes. :)
Do you remember Samsung used to deliver two different flagships one with their Exynos and one with SD. Did you even check how SD was performing much better than exynos version. Same camera same app even same models but with one simple cpu difference that was what people got.
Don't spread bs!
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- 25 Mar 2023
Anonymous, 18 Mar 2023Man answer is very easy. Apple and SSamsung are available t... moreOh hey Captain Power, you didn't log into GSM Arena with your registrated nickname. That's strange. Is everything okay?
Btw what do you think of Pixels? They don't do advertisments like Samsung and Apple do and they are surely lagging behind with chispet performance in flagship category, but they have their guns to compete even with flagship category. So, what's your opinion about Pixels? Should I go for Pixel 8? I really like more compact phones so that could be right for me. I don't lilke big phones so for me there is no many options. Only Samsung which I don't like and Apple which I can't use because of the iOS.
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