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- Nick
- uQ5
- 18 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 12 Dec 2021Idk dude, there is a 108MP mode that outputs 108MP images. ... moreIt's good to understand that the sensors on the S21 Ultra is not essentially a 108MP sensor. It's a pixel binning sensor, it's not really intended in producing 108MP images. As its impossible optically you can't change the colour of the filter once it's made.
The 108mp mode is pretty much useless, and generates images that have a huge quantity of "empty resolution". They use image stacking and ML to achieve a sharper image (similar to Google's and Sony's Super Resolution Al)
What's worse is that when recording a video, only the 11% of the pixels can be used since it's currently impossible to pixel bin in real time (Oppo might be on to something).
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- Anonymous
- IWP
- 18 Dec 2021
cinematographer, 15 Dec 2021Hey! Sony! Look at the Xiaomi! They always make powerful FL... moreTHIS! I don't understand why Sony's flashlight are always so dim...
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- Anonymous
- 8Kf
- 17 Dec 2021
Little secret. 🤫
It is possible to replace the 12GB for 16/18GB. It works with zero problem.
But you lose warranty.
- joe nodden
- j5{
- 17 Dec 2021
q, 15 Dec 2021OMG this dude always on fight. get a job dudeJust got back from my job an hour ago. Those planes aren't gonna refuel and tow themselves.
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- Michael
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- 15 Dec 2021
cinematographer, 15 Dec 2021Hey! Sony! Look at the Xiaomi! They always make powerful FL... moreIn case you forget your flashlight on, it won`t melt your phone. Won`t overheat and burn you while phone is in your pocket. That is the idea and it is brilliant :)
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- IDn
- 15 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 12 Dec 2021Idk dude, there is a 108MP mode that outputs 108MP images. ... moreOMG this dude always on fight. get a job dude
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- cinematographer
- 8rZ
- 15 Dec 2021
Hey! Sony! Look at the Xiaomi! They always make powerful FLASHLIGHTS! Everyone in the film industry uses a smartphone flashlight every day. Because we often work in the dark. I love smartphones from Sony.. but flashlights are terrible.
- joe nodden
- j5{
- 12 Dec 2021
Anonymous, 11 Dec 2021Nope, the fixed colour filter right in front of those 108 m... moreIdk dude, there is a 108MP mode that outputs 108MP images. If it's just some AI upscaling 12MP images I'd be damned because if you look at Gsmarena's sample photos, there are some iffy areas but overall it's way more detailed than the Xperia Pro-I's shots.
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- Anonymous
- yAJ
- 11 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 11 Dec 2021Except they can all be used? Nope, the fixed colour filter right in front of those 108 million image receptors is configured to output 12MP images. If you compare it to a regular bayer filter on a 12MP camera, it'll look exactly the same. There's no way it can capture 108MP due to that.
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- Anonymous
- 80i
- 11 Dec 2021
I received mine yesterday, I love everything about this phone. My Note20U was good, I miss the S-Pen but overall I love this phone, over the Note!
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- joenoddenisaretard
- 80i
- 11 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 11 Dec 2021Except they can all be used? No they can't...
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- j5{
- 11 Dec 2021
SuuperBaka, 07 Dec 2021"You seriously don't even know the definition of ... morek
- joe nodden
- j5{
- 11 Dec 2021
Brandon, 09 Dec 2021Well the S21 Ultra exists, and the "108MP" camera... moreExcept they can all be used?
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- AndroidBeastYT
- sSN
- 10 Dec 2021
Brandon, 09 Dec 2021Well the S21 Ultra exists, and the "108MP" camera... moreIt's they are using 9-1 pixel binning to force that 108 MP camera to take 12 MP photos.
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- Brandon
- yAJ
- 09 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 07 Dec 2021You seriously don't even know the definition of hypocr... moreWell the S21 Ultra exists, and the "108MP" camera isn't even 108 Megapixels. It's 12MP to be exact. Why can they call it a 108MP when it is only 12MP? Same reason. Technically it has 108 million image receptors, but not all of it can be used for the final image.
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- Anonymous
- M4v
- 09 Dec 2021
hol..y sh...t
1799$
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2X Optical Zoom !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
such price need
13.3X Optical Zoom @ Least
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- Anonymous
- StU
- 07 Dec 2021
SuuperBaka, 07 Dec 2021"You seriously don't even know the definition of ... moreWell said+1
Absolutely true
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- q}I
- 07 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 07 Dec 2021You seriously don't even know the definition of hypocr... more"You seriously don't even know the definition of hypocrisy yet think you can argue over cameras."
I do know the definition of hypocrisy, and you're clearly a hypocrite sorry but it is what it is.
" I've never praised a manufacturer I had known to be lying."
They aren't lying though, which is what you don't seem to comprehend, they are technically correct in using the term. Maybe go read about it.
"If other manufacturers have lied over their sensor sizes and I had known, I would have called them out for it. "
and yet you only seem to find out about the ones from Sony. Interesting.
"I do not favor or have bias against companies."
Yet you're the first to comment about resolution despite it not actually being a problem in the review article, you on the comment section of a Japan-exclusive Sony phone. Sure buddy, I'll take your word for it.
"I've praised Sony in the past for their good decisions in almost every area but their cameras."
I don't really believe you since I remember you complaining about benchmark scores as well, but sure whatever you want.
"Unfortunately their flawed cameras have not been greatly improved despite their marketing being all over their cameras instead of the areas of their phones that were done properly. "
Their cameras aren't bad, you are making them seem they are complete crap when it's not the case at all. They don't use as much processing and try to keep the scene as natural as possible, it operates as a camera would. Just because you can't take a picture in manual mode doesn't mean it's bad.
"Quit using the "every other company does it so it's ok for Sony to do it" mentality. It's objectively wrong."
I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and your lack of understanding of how sensor size works and the marketing.
"The 1 inch sensor is, for all purposes, not there. "
Yes, it is, I explained it to you, go read again.
"You don't see car manufacturers selling "cars with V12 engines" with 4 of the cylinders permanently disabled. That would be a v8 not a v12."
Because cameras and cars work differently, this comparison is completely bs. Even if the phone isn't using the full sensor, you have the massive pixel size there and other useful benefits such as superior EIS for videos, which is why it's marketed more as a vlogging device.
"Unfortunately, despite this, Sony mentions their (for all purposes) non-1-inch sensor 18 different times on their product page."
Because the sensor is still there, they aren't lying, but they aren't telling the full truth either which is also disappointing. You can't call it a lie because they aren't lying, but they are misleading. I do hope you are capable of understanding the difference between the two.
"And once again you ignore the "What you can say objectively is that if any one of those areas is too poor the shot will come out poorly.""
If you're referring to the areas in a photo when taking a shot, then that's supposed to happen. If something is dark in real life, it should be dark in the camera. Nights should not look as bright as day, but you have the option of editing RAWs if you want to.
"Even with massive pixels, the shot will be terrible with a terrible resolution. Even with a massive resolution, the shot will be terrible with a terrible sensor size. There is no hierarchy of importance you halfwit."
Here's the thing you don't seem to understand, 12MP is not terrible resolution, it's still enough for 4K. 12MP is still enough for almost everything you need unless you are printing big boards which would require more resolution, even then you would use an actual camera for that. You keep complaining about "measly" 12MP when other manufacturers are also using 12MP. I understand that you struggle to comprehend with the two cells in your brain, but it's not hard to understand.
When other manufacturers are advertising 48, 64,108 MP on the cameras, they bin them together to make a 12MP image. The resolution ends up being the same as Sony, and yet you still complain about Sony having a "low" resolution. This shows your hypocrisy again and your lack of understanding when it comes to photography.
When it comes to high resolution and small pixel size, you have more problems here because the pixels end up so small that light might not be able to hit it properly, the risk of crosstalk is higher than with bigger pixels, and like Samsung's new 200MP sensor with 0.65um pixels, they are smaller than the red wavelength. Higher resolution and smaller pixels also have more noise than lower resolution and bigger pixels.
You clearly show your lack of understanding and comprehension when it comes to photography. There is a hierarchy if you even want to put it. Sensor size being the most important, then pixel size, then resolution.
Sensor size is the most important and I shouldn't have to explain why.
Pixel size is the 2nd most important because you can capture more light with each pixel, have less noise, and overall have better low light performance.
Resolution is the 3rd most important because it is dependent on what you need. Most people only need 12MP since in most cases such as IG, Twitter, FB, etc you don't need that much. If you are doing a lot of cropping for certain situations such as bird photography or printing for big prints, then the resolution is needed. Because this is the most situational, it is the least important.
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"halfwit"
- joe nodden
- j5{
- 07 Dec 2021
SuuperBaka, 06 Dec 2021It shows your hypocrisy, you're treating this as if So... moreYou seriously don't even know the definition of hypocrisy yet think you can argue over cameras. I've never praised a manufacturer I had known to be lying. If other manufacturers have lied over their sensor sizes and I had known, I would have called them out for it. I do not favor or have bias against companies. I've praised Sony in the past for their good decisions in almost every area but their cameras. Unfortunately their flawed cameras have not been greatly improved despite their marketing being all over their cameras instead of the areas of their phones that were done properly. Quit using the "every other company does it so it's ok for Sony to do it" mentality. It's objectively wrong.
The 1 inch sensor is, for all purposes, not there. You don't see car manufacturers selling "cars with V12 engines" with 4 of the cylinders permanently disabled. That would be a v8 not a v12. Unfortunately, despite this, Sony mentions their (for all purposes) non-1-inch sensor 18 different times on their product page.
And once again you ignore the "What you can say objectively is that if any one of those areas is too poor the shot will come out poorly."
Even with massive pixels, the shot will be terrible with a terrible resolution. Even with a massive resolution, the shot will be terrible with a terrible sensor size. There is no hierarchy of importance you halfwit.
- joe nodden
- j5{
- 07 Dec 2021
oio, 07 Dec 2021u know megapixels doesnt really matter in a smartphone. tha... moreYou, when reacting to the entire discussion I've had with everyone else: "That sign can't stop me because I can't read!"
Oh and that example was godawful.