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joe nodden, 07 Dec 2021You seriously don't even know the definition of hypocr... more"You seriously don't even know the definition of hypocrisy yet think you can argue over cameras."

I do know the definition of hypocrisy, and you're clearly a hypocrite sorry but it is what it is.

" I've never praised a manufacturer I had known to be lying."

They aren't lying though, which is what you don't seem to comprehend, they are technically correct in using the term. Maybe go read about it.

"If other manufacturers have lied over their sensor sizes and I had known, I would have called them out for it. "

and yet you only seem to find out about the ones from Sony. Interesting.

"I do not favor or have bias against companies."

Yet you're the first to comment about resolution despite it not actually being a problem in the review article, you on the comment section of a Japan-exclusive Sony phone. Sure buddy, I'll take your word for it.

"I've praised Sony in the past for their good decisions in almost every area but their cameras."

I don't really believe you since I remember you complaining about benchmark scores as well, but sure whatever you want.

"Unfortunately their flawed cameras have not been greatly improved despite their marketing being all over their cameras instead of the areas of their phones that were done properly. "

Their cameras aren't bad, you are making them seem they are complete crap when it's not the case at all. They don't use as much processing and try to keep the scene as natural as possible, it operates as a camera would. Just because you can't take a picture in manual mode doesn't mean it's bad.

"Quit using the "every other company does it so it's ok for Sony to do it" mentality. It's objectively wrong."

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and your lack of understanding of how sensor size works and the marketing.

"The 1 inch sensor is, for all purposes, not there. "

Yes, it is, I explained it to you, go read again.

"You don't see car manufacturers selling "cars with V12 engines" with 4 of the cylinders permanently disabled. That would be a v8 not a v12."

Because cameras and cars work differently, this comparison is completely bs. Even if the phone isn't using the full sensor, you have the massive pixel size there and other useful benefits such as superior EIS for videos, which is why it's marketed more as a vlogging device.

"Unfortunately, despite this, Sony mentions their (for all purposes) non-1-inch sensor 18 different times on their product page."

Because the sensor is still there, they aren't lying, but they aren't telling the full truth either which is also disappointing. You can't call it a lie because they aren't lying, but they are misleading. I do hope you are capable of understanding the difference between the two.

"And once again you ignore the "What you can say objectively is that if any one of those areas is too poor the shot will come out poorly.""

If you're referring to the areas in a photo when taking a shot, then that's supposed to happen. If something is dark in real life, it should be dark in the camera. Nights should not look as bright as day, but you have the option of editing RAWs if you want to.

"Even with massive pixels, the shot will be terrible with a terrible resolution. Even with a massive resolution, the shot will be terrible with a terrible sensor size. There is no hierarchy of importance you halfwit."

Here's the thing you don't seem to understand, 12MP is not terrible resolution, it's still enough for 4K. 12MP is still enough for almost everything you need unless you are printing big boards which would require more resolution, even then you would use an actual camera for that. You keep complaining about "measly" 12MP when other manufacturers are also using 12MP. I understand that you struggle to comprehend with the two cells in your brain, but it's not hard to understand.

When other manufacturers are advertising 48, 64,108 MP on the cameras, they bin them together to make a 12MP image. The resolution ends up being the same as Sony, and yet you still complain about Sony having a "low" resolution. This shows your hypocrisy again and your lack of understanding when it comes to photography.

When it comes to high resolution and small pixel size, you have more problems here because the pixels end up so small that light might not be able to hit it properly, the risk of crosstalk is higher than with bigger pixels, and like Samsung's new 200MP sensor with 0.65um pixels, they are smaller than the red wavelength. Higher resolution and smaller pixels also have more noise than lower resolution and bigger pixels.

You clearly show your lack of understanding and comprehension when it comes to photography. There is a hierarchy if you even want to put it. Sensor size being the most important, then pixel size, then resolution.

Sensor size is the most important and I shouldn't have to explain why.

Pixel size is the 2nd most important because you can capture more light with each pixel, have less noise, and overall have better low light performance.

Resolution is the 3rd most important because it is dependent on what you need. Most people only need 12MP since in most cases such as IG, Twitter, FB, etc you don't need that much. If you are doing a lot of cropping for certain situations such as bird photography or printing for big prints, then the resolution is needed. Because this is the most situational, it is the least important.
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    SuuperBaka, 06 Dec 2021It shows your hypocrisy, you're treating this as if So... moreYou seriously don't even know the definition of hypocrisy yet think you can argue over cameras. I've never praised a manufacturer I had known to be lying. If other manufacturers have lied over their sensor sizes and I had known, I would have called them out for it. I do not favor or have bias against companies. I've praised Sony in the past for their good decisions in almost every area but their cameras. Unfortunately their flawed cameras have not been greatly improved despite their marketing being all over their cameras instead of the areas of their phones that were done properly. Quit using the "every other company does it so it's ok for Sony to do it" mentality. It's objectively wrong.

    The 1 inch sensor is, for all purposes, not there. You don't see car manufacturers selling "cars with V12 engines" with 4 of the cylinders permanently disabled. That would be a v8 not a v12. Unfortunately, despite this, Sony mentions their (for all purposes) non-1-inch sensor 18 different times on their product page.

    And once again you ignore the "What you can say objectively is that if any one of those areas is too poor the shot will come out poorly."

    Even with massive pixels, the shot will be terrible with a terrible resolution. Even with a massive resolution, the shot will be terrible with a terrible sensor size. There is no hierarchy of importance you halfwit.

      oio, 07 Dec 2021u know megapixels doesnt really matter in a smartphone. tha... moreYou, when reacting to the entire discussion I've had with everyone else: "That sign can't stop me because I can't read!"

      Oh and that example was godawful.

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        • SonyFan
        • w4Y
        • 07 Dec 2021

        It's a shame that they don't sell in as many regions as they used to. If they adjust their prices and expanded upon the market, they might sell more of their devices.

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          • 07 Dec 2021

          joe nodden, 02 Dec 2021What's new on this phone? The trash 12MP sensor resolu... moreu know megapixels doesnt really matter in a smartphone. that's why the iphone 13 pro max is about on par with s21 ultra

            joe nodden, 06 Dec 2021There's that dumb mentality, "every other company... moreIt shows your hypocrisy, you're treating this as if Sony is the only one "lying" when all manufacturers have been doing the same thing for years. Suddenly when Sony puts it on a smartphone it's "lying". The sensor is there, they had reasons for not using the full thing which are actually fair reasons.

            I wouldn't expect you to actually understand how marketing works since you seem to fall for everything including "1-inch" sensors and the MP hype. You were the first person to comment on the hands-on review and complain about MP count, but then don't take into account that other manufacturers using QB also have an emulated 12MP count which makes your point irrelevant.

            If you go back in the comment section you can see what is the most important when it comes to camera hardware, which is: 1. Sensor size, 2. Pixel Size, 3. MP count.

              SuuperBaka, 06 Dec 2021["1 inch type sensor" and "1 inch sensor&quo... moreThere's that dumb mentality, "every other company does it so it's ok for Sony to do it"

                joe nodden, 06 Dec 2021"1 inch type sensor" and "1 inch sensor"... more["1 inch type sensor" and "1 inch sensor" mean the same dang thing.]

                Of course, they do, but that's part of marketing.

                I can see that you don't understand how marketing works. They advertised it as a "1-inch type" to make a sort of distinction for marketing. Almost all, if not all 1-inch cameras aren't actually 1 inch. It uses terminology from back when they used Vacuum tubes, and still use that to market it.

                  jonoddenisatroll, 04 Dec 2021ok then read this :) https://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_sma... moreAnd why do you think that is? Why do you think I mentioned the pricing strategy change? Did you not understand a word I said?

                    SuuperBaka, 03 Dec 2021"Hadn't realized they lied about the sensor size.... more"1 inch type sensor" and "1 inch sensor" mean the same dang thing.

                      DevWarehouse, 06 Dec 2021I mean Sony phones do get hate on a normal basis, so camera... moreExactly, the camera bump will give them more ammo to use, but Sony phones aren't as bad as they make it seem. I still can't find a flagship offering headphone jacks and SD cards anymore, clearly Sony doesn't want to remove them.

                        SuuperBaka, 05 Dec 2021The bump here isn't that noticeable since they don... moreI mean Sony phones do get hate on a normal basis, so camera bump is just an extra to those giving hate to Sony

                          DevWarehouse, 05 Dec 2021Are people really arguing over a camera bump...The bump here isn't that noticeable since they don't use the whole sensor, but if they had to cover the entire thing then the bump would be pretty big.

                          Then you would get people calling the bump way too big and using that to fault the phone. It really doesn't matter what Sony does, they will get hate either way

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                            • 05 Dec 2021

                            No matter the high-end electronics, the physics of the optics limits the performance at the objective lens point: without a large objective little light (few photons) get to the sensor and the phone shot will never be as bright and clear as a much larger dedicated camera.

                              Anonymous, 05 Dec 2021Mi 11 ultra has bigger main sensor than 808. 1020 has a sma... more"Mi 11 ultra has bigger main sensor than 808."

                              and a bigger body as well.

                              "The reason bump isn't that noticeable is due to advancement is technology over almost a decade."

                              It's also because other parts are smaller and some things removed to make space for them, and the bigger bodies.

                              "Now its also wrong to say 1020,808 doesn't do pixel binning, give they output is 5mp and 8mp by default respectively. Look up PureView oversampling."

                              No it's not wrong to say that the 1020 and 808 don't do pixel binning. They DONT do binning, they do downsampling which is different. They use a regular Bayer for their cameras which is also why their bump is bigger.

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                                • 05 Dec 2021

                                SuuperBaka, 03 Dec 2021They don't have a big camera bump lmao, a camera bump ... moreMi 11 ultra has bigger main sensor than 808. 1020 has a smaller sensor, and many phones on market today has bigger sensor than it, such as pixel 6/6pro, s21 ultra etc.
                                On top of that, these new phones include multiple cameras. The reason bump isn't that noticeable is due to advancement is technology over almost a decade.
                                Now its also wrong to say 1020,808 doesn't do pixel binning, give they output is 5mp and 8mp by default respectively. Look up PureView oversampling.

                                  Are people really arguing over a camera bump...

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                                    • XP2
                                    • 04 Dec 2021

                                    Really I love these camera bump and design I haven't seen these type of beautiful camera bump design really love it

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                                      • 04 Dec 2021

                                      joe nodden, 03 Dec 2021Huh? Are you slow or something? Obviously it should be chea... moreok then read this :)

                                      https://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_smartphone_division_is_up_25_yoy_for_q2_2021-news-51628.php

                                        SuuperBaka, 03 Dec 2021They don't have a big camera bump lmao, a camera bump ... moreforget those old things, I'm talking about today's Mi 11 Ultra's 50MP 1/1.12", 1.4µm where the bump is huge; Mate 40 Pro's 50 MP, 1/1.28", 1.22µm and the bump is minimal here; The Pixel 6/Pro's 50 MP 1/1.31", 1.2µm where the bump is huge; Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max's 12 MP 1/1.8", 1.9µm; S21 Ultra's 12 MP 1/1.33", 1.6µm; S21's 12 MP 1/1.76", 1.8µm; all of them have camera bumps and I am talking about a 1/1.5" 24MP 4000x6000p sensor which is smaller than the mi 11 ultra and S21 ultra's sensors and this will have a slightly smaller size and the pp will be around 1.6µm and this can be comparable to the IMX718 20MP 3600x5400. for reference, OnePlus 9RT has a 1/1.56” optically stabilized sensor within a 8.3mm thick body. So you don't need to be worried about the BUMP! that's all from me.

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