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ethereal, 08 Jun 2020Sounds great! Good luck for when you finally but this beaut... moreAs a music lover to another, just want to warn you with Android 10 update as G8X will loose native DSD playback capability. The ESS ES9218P SABRE audio chip (LG's QuadDAC) supports upto native DSD256 streams. In G8X (Android 9) DoP (DSD over PCM) protocol is used to transmit DSD audio files (dsf or dff) to the audio chip for hardware decoding. Half of the available bandwidth is lost as DoP requires additional markers to identify the signal as DSD. Hence upto DSD128, half of DSD256 is natively supported for playback.

With Android 10, LG have intentionally killed native DSD playback to all its phones. DoP is gone and all DSD files are now software decoded at the music player level to PCM and then fed to QuadDAC. With Android 9, no PCM conversion takes place and instead raw DSD hardware decoding takes place inside the QuadDAC preserving the revered trademark SACD sound and its quality. A big minus to all DSD lovers like me. But if you are not into DSD, then no issues and just update to Android 10 when you get it.

Android 10 update will only hit LG G7 onwards, so the owner have the option to stay with Android 9 or update to Android 10 and loose native DSD playback and maybe even MQA. My pair of black and silver V30+'s will not receive Android 10.

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    • way4gcc
    • GQU
    • 20 Jun 2020

    Hey LG ,, I am using G8X.....Why aren't you releasing Android 10 in India...? Shame on you...You always make good mobiles but never update them with the latest one... Next time I will go for Samsung Flagships...

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      • Anonymous
      • 3IA
      • 17 Jun 2020

      I am in the US but my altitude text

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        • tessyalexx2000
        • ypY
        • 11 Jun 2020

        Ohhh My God , What an awesome Mobile LG has made...When I flop open the dual screen , it is really a head Turner.  People stare at it.  It is really an amazing piece if Engineering. Very stylish.
        Excellent Display ,
        Amazing Audio Experience
        A Very Premium look with the Dual Screen
        Fast and Extra ordinary Mobile.
        I have sold out my Note 10 plus to buy this beauty.
        Hats off LG...Love you a lot....

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          • YTd
          • 11 Jun 2020

          Cris, 07 Jun 2020This Lg G8x or Huawei p30 or galaxy S20 which is the good b... moreDude,,,Go for LG G8X. Best Battery life..I charge it in 2 days even after using a bit heavily. Overall Awesome beauty.
          Camera and display all marvelous..
          No doubt,, I had sold out my Note 10 plus to buy this beauty.

            RishiGuru, 08 Jun 2020For both Android 9 & 10 in G8X, LG's default music app ... moreSounds great! Good luck for when you finally but this beauty! It's amazing.

            Awaiting Android 10 on my baby now...

              ethereal, 07 Jun 2020Thanks. By the way heres that error you were talking about:... moreFor both Android 9 & 10 in G8X, LG's default music app is showing identical behavior for native DSD playback while using inbuilt QuadDAC:

              1) DSD logo shown on default music app, proper file recognition is taking place.
              2) On the default music app, we are able to change preset equalizers (Pop, Rock, Jazz) during playback, while hearing perceived sound signature differences with different equalizer presets.
              3) During native DSD playback, we are unable to change pitch & speed of the song. It shows "Pitch and speed are unavailable for high resolution audio files"

              The above behaviors are confirmed by two G8X users.

              Conclusion:

              1) I believe be it Android 9 or 10, native DSD playback runs just fine with no DSD to PCM conversion in the "LG default music app TO QuadDAC TO audio jack" audio chain.

              2) Many audiophiles uses UAPP app in phones to listen to music. USB Audio Player (UAPP) as the name suggests is completely devoted to audio through USB port, mainly targeting use of external DACs & amps. This is where DoP comes into picture. UAPP on Android 10 is unable to send DSD as DoP over USB-C port, hence they are referring "DSD/DoP support is not present in Android 10"

              I have Vivo NEX S running on Android 10 and have no issues with native DSD playback using default music player and the inbuilt DAC. So, enjoy buddy. This phone is in my upgrade list now.

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                • Cris
                • Nu6
                • 07 Jun 2020

                This Lg G8x or Huawei p30 or galaxy S20 which is the good buy, both in terms of price and specs. Battery is heavily considered.

                  RishiGuru, 07 Jun 2020Enjoy buddy. Native DSD playback support on G8X using LG... moreThanks. By the way heres that error you were talking about:

                  https://postimg.cc/WD1SsMbW

                  It gets thrown whenever I attenpt to change pitch or speed on a DSD playback. A little different error but possibly the same thing.

                  So its safe to add .1% to that 99.9% now.

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                    • Sandeep
                    • rKv
                    • 07 Jun 2020

                    I can't control volume rocker through earphone. Did anyone face this issue?
                    While watching amazon prime videos, I can't control volume / play n pause through earphones. Please help.

                      ethereal, 07 Jun 2020Thanks buddy! I'll let you know when that happens. Currentl... moreEnjoy buddy.

                      Native DSD playback support on G8X using LG's Quad DAC:
                      Android 9: Confirmed. UAAP app is also showing native DSD support.
                      Android 10: Not confirmed.

                        RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2020Great. Thanks again. Android10 for G8X is around the cor... moreThanks buddy! I'll let you know when that happens. Currently enjoying the 9 only.

                          ethereal, 06 Jun 2020Sure. I tried that. Although, I do not get the error as "Au... moreGreat. Thanks again.

                          Android10 for G8X is around the corner and many who have received is already complaining of NO native dsd support as Android 10 have some issues. If you ever update to Android10 do let us know the native dsd playback situation after the update.

                            RishiGuru, 06 Jun 202099% confirmed LG G8X supports native DSD playback. Just ... moreSure. I tried that. Although, I do not get the error as "Audio effects are unavailable for high resolution audio files" when I file with the equaliser while DSD is being played. However, I confirm that there's absolutely no effect on the audio being output no matter what preset or custom setting I choose for the equaliser. Whereas, the difference is clearly audible when I do same while playing any track on Spotify.

                            Also, what I noticed is there's small text written in the bottom of the "sound quality & effects page" which reads "some effects may not work depending on the type of audio". I'm sure it has to do something with what we are trying to figure out here. So, yes. DSD support is there on my G8x as it appears.

                              ethereal, 06 Jun 2020Sure. Both DSD 64 & 128 play well in the default music ... more99% confirmed LG G8X supports native DSD playback.

                              Just for the last 1%, please check and confirm during DSD playback through default music player, if you try to enable equalizer it shows something like:

                              "Audio effects are unavailable for high resolution audio files"

                              If audio effects are disabled then 100% native DSD playback support, else not.

                                RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2020Try to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hir... moreI confirm both those DSD 64 & 128 play well inside the default music player with the DSD badge in the top-left. No problems there.

                                  RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2020Try to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hir... moreSure. Both DSD 64 & 128 play well in the default music player. There's a DSD logo in the top-right showing the same. See for yourself:

                                  https://postimg.cc/cgD9JZk2
                                  https://postimg.cc/w18pzcmJ

                                    ethereal, 05 Jun 2020EDIT: For some weird reason for some tracks I was able t... moreTry to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hires/

                                    Try this album: Bellezza Crudel - VIVALDI (2L-056 SACD)

                                    This a SACD album, so you can download and try DSD64 & DSD128 files in you LG G8X. See if the default music player is recognizing the track with DSD logo in the playlist & also while playback.

                                      ethereal, 05 Jun 2020I really appreciate your deep knowledge on the subject. Tha... moreDSD (Direct Stream Digital) is the encoding mode of SACD (Super Audio CD). Using 1-bit bit-stream with a sampling rate of 2.8224 Mhz (64 times higher than that of CD 44.1 kHz, thus the name DSD64), it transforms the analog music signal wave-forms directly into digital signals in the form of pulses. With the space nearly four times larger than that of CD, it presents a fantastic audio feast for those who care about audio quality. To me anything higher than DSD64 like DSD128 or DSD256 takes you to the realm of diminishing returns as a DSD256 encoded song can take up 400 MB of your space. Thus the most common standard of SACD is DSD64.

                                      So when we have music in DSF of DFF format representing a SACD in your internal memory, any flagship phone now-a-days will SOFTWARE DECODE the DSD to PCM and start playback. This conversion results in some loss in audio fidelity. So the owner will feel his/ her phone supports DSD, which is true but not natively.

                                      In audio centric smartphones, whose big chuck of owners are music lovers and are very critical is preserving the SACD quality, the smartphone manufacturers provide native DSD playback support. In LG V30+ or the Vivo NEX S, LG/ Vivo have dug a software audio tunnel from default music player to the hardware DAC. So when a DSD file is played by the default music player on these phones, there is no software decoding from DSD to PCM, rather the raw DSD passes through this audio tunnel straight to the DAC, for HARDWARE DECODING inside the DAC and subsequent generation of analog audio signals which we humans can perceive. In professional native DSD playback mode, this audio path between the music player to the DAC is in pure direct mode thus preserving SACD audio quality and maximum audio resolution. Audiophile dreams.

                                      I believe your LG G8X supports native DSD playback just like my LG V30+ because the audio hardware is identical. In V30+, when default music player detects a DSD file it shows DSD in the playlist. When it plays a DSD, it shows like:

                                      DSD DSF64 2.8Mhz
                                      DSD DSF128 5.6Mhz

                                      Same is shown in your G8X, which should indicate DSD file recognition by the default music player and subsequent native DSD playback.

                                      What G8X does not support is DoP (DSD over PCM), which is completely different from native DSD playback support. My V30+ supports DoP. What this means is V30+ is able to transport DSD over its USB-C port to an external DAC. To transmit DSD data on a USB port using DoP is to package the DSD data in PCM form. To be clear, this is NOT a data conversion from DSD to PCM. The data are unchanged. The DAC on the other side of V30's USB port must also be DoP compliant in order to reassemble the DoP PCM bits into a continuous DSD stream. Now with DoP gone for G8X, LG Music app in G8X will perform software conversion of DSD to 88200Hz PCM while transporting through USB-C to the external DAC resulting is some loss in quality.

                                        RishiGuru, 05 Jun 2020DSD or Direct Stream Digital is a one bit recording format.... moreI really appreciate your deep knowledge on the subject. Thanks a lot for sharing all those details.

                                        As for the DSD to PCM conversation, I can not say for sure until we have some way to figure that out. On my Fiio, there's a small green light that lights on detecting a DSD file. I hope there's some such way to know on my G8x as well.

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