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ethereal, 06 Jun 2020Sure. I tried that. Although, I do not get the error as "Au... moreGreat. Thanks again.

Android10 for G8X is around the corner and many who have received is already complaining of NO native dsd support as Android 10 have some issues. If you ever update to Android10 do let us know the native dsd playback situation after the update.

    RishiGuru, 06 Jun 202099% confirmed LG G8X supports native DSD playback. Just ... moreSure. I tried that. Although, I do not get the error as "Audio effects are unavailable for high resolution audio files" when I file with the equaliser while DSD is being played. However, I confirm that there's absolutely no effect on the audio being output no matter what preset or custom setting I choose for the equaliser. Whereas, the difference is clearly audible when I do same while playing any track on Spotify.

    Also, what I noticed is there's small text written in the bottom of the "sound quality & effects page" which reads "some effects may not work depending on the type of audio". I'm sure it has to do something with what we are trying to figure out here. So, yes. DSD support is there on my G8x as it appears.

      ethereal, 06 Jun 2020Sure. Both DSD 64 & 128 play well in the default music ... more99% confirmed LG G8X supports native DSD playback.

      Just for the last 1%, please check and confirm during DSD playback through default music player, if you try to enable equalizer it shows something like:

      "Audio effects are unavailable for high resolution audio files"

      If audio effects are disabled then 100% native DSD playback support, else not.

        RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2020Try to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hir... moreI confirm both those DSD 64 & 128 play well inside the default music player with the DSD badge in the top-left. No problems there.

          RishiGuru, 06 Jun 2020Try to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hir... moreSure. Both DSD 64 & 128 play well in the default music player. There's a DSD logo in the top-right showing the same. See for yourself:

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            ethereal, 05 Jun 2020EDIT: For some weird reason for some tracks I was able t... moreTry to play DSD test tracks from here: http://www.2l.no/hires/

            Try this album: Bellezza Crudel - VIVALDI (2L-056 SACD)

            This a SACD album, so you can download and try DSD64 & DSD128 files in you LG G8X. See if the default music player is recognizing the track with DSD logo in the playlist & also while playback.

              ethereal, 05 Jun 2020I really appreciate your deep knowledge on the subject. Tha... moreDSD (Direct Stream Digital) is the encoding mode of SACD (Super Audio CD). Using 1-bit bit-stream with a sampling rate of 2.8224 Mhz (64 times higher than that of CD 44.1 kHz, thus the name DSD64), it transforms the analog music signal wave-forms directly into digital signals in the form of pulses. With the space nearly four times larger than that of CD, it presents a fantastic audio feast for those who care about audio quality. To me anything higher than DSD64 like DSD128 or DSD256 takes you to the realm of diminishing returns as a DSD256 encoded song can take up 400 MB of your space. Thus the most common standard of SACD is DSD64.

              So when we have music in DSF of DFF format representing a SACD in your internal memory, any flagship phone now-a-days will SOFTWARE DECODE the DSD to PCM and start playback. This conversion results in some loss in audio fidelity. So the owner will feel his/ her phone supports DSD, which is true but not natively.

              In audio centric smartphones, whose big chuck of owners are music lovers and are very critical is preserving the SACD quality, the smartphone manufacturers provide native DSD playback support. In LG V30+ or the Vivo NEX S, LG/ Vivo have dug a software audio tunnel from default music player to the hardware DAC. So when a DSD file is played by the default music player on these phones, there is no software decoding from DSD to PCM, rather the raw DSD passes through this audio tunnel straight to the DAC, for HARDWARE DECODING inside the DAC and subsequent generation of analog audio signals which we humans can perceive. In professional native DSD playback mode, this audio path between the music player to the DAC is in pure direct mode thus preserving SACD audio quality and maximum audio resolution. Audiophile dreams.

              I believe your LG G8X supports native DSD playback just like my LG V30+ because the audio hardware is identical. In V30+, when default music player detects a DSD file it shows DSD in the playlist. When it plays a DSD, it shows like:

              DSD DSF64 2.8Mhz
              DSD DSF128 5.6Mhz

              Same is shown in your G8X, which should indicate DSD file recognition by the default music player and subsequent native DSD playback.

              What G8X does not support is DoP (DSD over PCM), which is completely different from native DSD playback support. My V30+ supports DoP. What this means is V30+ is able to transport DSD over its USB-C port to an external DAC. To transmit DSD data on a USB port using DoP is to package the DSD data in PCM form. To be clear, this is NOT a data conversion from DSD to PCM. The data are unchanged. The DAC on the other side of V30's USB port must also be DoP compliant in order to reassemble the DoP PCM bits into a continuous DSD stream. Now with DoP gone for G8X, LG Music app in G8X will perform software conversion of DSD to 88200Hz PCM while transporting through USB-C to the external DAC resulting is some loss in quality.

                RishiGuru, 05 Jun 2020DSD or Direct Stream Digital is a one bit recording format.... moreI really appreciate your deep knowledge on the subject. Thanks a lot for sharing all those details.

                As for the DSD to PCM conversation, I can not say for sure until we have some way to figure that out. On my Fiio, there's a small green light that lights on detecting a DSD file. I hope there's some such way to know on my G8x as well.

                  ethereal, 05 Jun 2020EDIT: For some weird reason for some tracks I was able t... moreDSD or Direct Stream Digital is a one bit recording format. DSF is a kind of audio file that are delivered as downloads or read by a software for playback. DSD is a term that include DSF files. PCM for example can be WAV, FLAC or mp3. Similarly DSF is DSD. My LG V30+ (V30 with more internal memory) supports DSD64, DSD128 & MQA in PCM format.

                  V30+ in reality have two DACs:

                  1) HiFi QuadDAC Enabled: ESS ES9218P SABRE: Support for DSD64, DSD128, DSD256
                  2) HiFi QuadDAC Disabled: Qualcomm Aqstic WCD9341: Support for DSD64, DSD128

                  ES9218P is the QuadDAC, while WCD9341 is the flagship audio chip from Qualcomm. The most probable reason I can think of dropping DSD256 support, is the lack of playback support by WCD9341. So if an user is playing a DSD256 with HiFi QuadDAC Enabled and suddenly opts to disable the HiFi mode, the DSD audio stream will be redirected to WCD9341 which is unable to handle DSD256. All of this is applicable when using the default music player, as other third party music players will convert any DSD to PCM and play easily.

                  There are more restrictive DSD playback approaches followed by other smartphone manufacturers. Take for example my Vivo NEX (Vivo NEX S in China). Like V30+, the NEX also have two DACs:

                  1) HiFi Enabled: Cirrus Logic CS43199: Support for DSD64
                  2) HiFi Disabled: Qualcomm Aqstic WCD9340: No support for DSD playback

                  In NEX there is a dedicated DSD enable switch in sound settings. If that switch is disabled and I play DSD64, DSD128, DSD256 files, all files will be converted to PCM by the default music player and get played. I can even toggle between HiFi enable/ disable modes now as both DACs supports PCM playback upto 384kHz. But if I enable the DSD switch, and then play DSD using default music player:

                  DSD64: DSD logo shows up on notification bar, and bit perfect DSD64 is fed straight to CS43199. As WCD9340 does not support DSD, HiFi enable/ disable toggle gets disabled.

                  DSD128: HiFi logo is shown instead, DSD to PCM converted by the player and send to the DAC. CS43199 has no support for DSD128.

                  DSD256: HiFi logo is shown instead, DSD to PCM converted by the player and send to the DAC. CS43199 has no support for DSD256.

                  Your LG G8X audio hardware setup should be near identical to V30+, the question remains, is G8X converting DSD to PCM, or is it directly streaming DSD to the DAC?

                    ethereal, 04 Jun 2020Sure. Here are my findings: Formats natively supported ... moreEDIT:

                    For some weird reason for some tracks I was able to play DSD upto DSD 128 in the default music player natively. It never worked for the DSD 256 though. When it works I can see a special badge in the top left of the track being played such as [DSD] DSF 128 5.6Mhz.

                      Sure. Here are my findings:

                      Formats natively supported by the default music player:

                      Stereo 24BIT/352.8kHz
                      Stereo 24BIT/192kHz
                      Stereo 24BIT/96kHz
                      MQA stereo original resolution
                      Original CD 16BIT/44kHz
                      5.1 Surround 24BIT/96kHz

                      Formats NOT supported natively by the default music player:

                      Stereo DSD 256 11.2896Mbit/s
                      Stereo DSD 128 5.6448Mbit/s GPM
                      Stereo DSD 64 2.8224Mbit/s GPM
                      5.1 Surround DSD 64 2.8224Mbit/s GPM

                      GPM - Supported by Google Play Music, however. Not sure if it decodes properly though.

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                        • Calbff
                        • 6yu
                        • 02 Jun 2020

                        This really is a great phone. It's not the beast that the s20 is, but it's half the price, is still very fast, has plenty of RAM and storage, and the the second screen isn't just a gimmick, it's awesome. I'm simply not going to use a $1500 phone, that's insane, and this performs just as well. No quad HD? Never used it once on my s8. I'm a semi-power user and haven't missed a single thing on my g8x. Great work LG.

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                          • ypY
                          • 26 May 2020

                          LG is good at making mobiles like G8X Dual screen ( Amazing ) but it is the worst company in updating their mobiles with the latest android versions. All other companies are now trying to update their flagships with android 11. But LG is still sleeping with android 9 .
                          Shame on you LG.. ...What the hell are your Engineers doing ?
                          You should've at least updated your Flagships like G8X with Android 10.
                          I am in India.....

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                            • ypY
                            • 24 May 2020

                            When Android 10 is coming to LG G8X in India ? .
                            LG makes very good beauties like G8X Dual Screen but they always update their flagships very late.. This is the only Shame and curse on LG...It should learn from One plus and Samsung about how to update their Flagships fast... Why are you reckless , LG. ,,, ?

                              AiOGajo, 21 May 2020There are 12 models + 2 models with with 4 firmware variant... moreOhh. Why on LG firmware only show 1 ?. It's said that 2 sim only available in China, without Google, isn't it ?. And do you know the code of that ?.

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                                • alexxgoc
                                • ypc
                                • 21 May 2020

                                Ohhh My God , What an awesome Mobile LG has made...When I flop open the dual screen , it is really a head Turner. People stare at it. It is really an amazing piece if Engineering. Very stylish.
                                Excellent Display ,
                                Amazing Audio Experience
                                A Very Premium look with the Dual Screen
                                Fast and Extra ordinary Mobile.
                                I have sold out my Note 10 plus to buy this beauty.
                                Hats off LG...Love you a lot....

                                  BunRieu, 04 May 2020Is there any models depend on country like others or just L... moreThere are 12 models + 2 models with with 4 firmware variants each.
                                  In total 14 models and 20 firmwares.

                                    I am in love with this phone.
                                    It's truly a productivity BEAST! Thank you LG.

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                                      • 20 May 2020

                                      Android 10 available for the unlocked US model May 18th, anyone download it yet?.

                                      I love the dual screen and it's a multi-tasking beast!, highly recommend...

                                        Anonymous, 14 May 2020I've heard haptics aren’t as good as previous LGs :( Is thi... moreIts true LG is cutting corners in their new devices. The direction is very clear, they no longer want to compete with the best of the best. Rather now they want to portray themselves as all rounders and VFM products like OnePlus. Maybe the new management is brainstorming and coming with something new, like a new design philosophy in LG Velvet, killing if G series and bringing down the V60 from absolute cutting edge to OnePlus Pro contenders. In G8X, cost cutting is evident. The QuadDAC does not have native DSD support, FullHD screen and not QuadHD. And maybe cheaper haptic motors. In return LG is providing us their dual screens which is a nifty feature.

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