Pichai responds to EU fine, hints Google might start charging for Android
- Geric.770
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- 19 Jul 2018
Kangal, 19 Jul 2018Samsung and Sony have been the primary contributors to AOSP... moreWell said, too!
I prefer C.
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- pl2rts
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- 19 Jul 2018
Anonym, 19 Jul 2018A few things: (1) EU isn't the whole world. (2) Apple sells... moreI get the point, but still who cares about the shares of money from unit, while this is still based on the OS that people use. The user base for IOS is smaller then for android and thats why they go for that. I dont like it my self too as i am European and well i dont care much about Apple products cause i dont see a point to waste over 250 euro on any phone brand. For what i need out of phone i still have a large choice in that price range that will satisfy all my needs. I dont even care about that either i have or have not the pure android cause it does not matter to me. And i still use chrome as i dont see a point why should i get firefox or opera. And tbh i have had firefox on my PC and it never satisfied me as it crashed all the time and had other issues.
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- janis
- 3b1
- 19 Jul 2018
I already cannot pay monthly for sim card. i guess we need to continue to use these not secure, half working old android phones.
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- Kangal
- uCX
- 19 Jul 2018
Samsung and Sony have been the primary contributors to AOSP outside of Google. Though lately it has been Google all alone developing it. So Google has been investing in the software as much as a proprietary solution without getting any of the rewards the other players get.
So what should Google do?
A) Ban all OEMs from using Google Services in Europe
B) Close the AOSP. Charge all OEMs USD $30 per handset. Now each OEM gets access to the Proprietary Android build. They can make any adjustments to the device they want. They can even NOT install the Play Store. Google makes no money from their services, and all profits from licensing. The revenue pays Google to continue developing Proprietary Android.
C) Open-source Android progress slows to a crawl, in favour of the new Proprietary Android build. They charge all OEMs USD $5 per handset for Proprietary Android. Each unit is a locked-down Android device which can't sideload Apps, no r00t, only Stock UI, no bloatware, and exclusive to only Google's services (and ads!) which cannot be removed. All in all, no customisation whatsoever. OEMs get no access to software, and it must be installed by Google privately. Google profits from the services and the license fees add up. The massive money is used to fund the Proprietary Android development and pay EU.
D) Google continues to do what it does, and is literally robbed by the EU for $4 Billion. And two years later they get robbed by EU again for another $6 Billion. Overall Alphabet begins to start going broke, especially as investors begin to pull out.
E) Google pays $100 Million to a group of master assassin's, and this team murder the Committee that is involved with Anti-trust Decision. And if the issue comes up again, they re-contract the master assassins.
So which is the best/most effective choice (A, B, C, D, or E) ??
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- Anonym
- 60J
- 19 Jul 2018
pl2rts, 19 Jul 2018How come apple have larger share on the market ? While appl... moreA few things: (1) EU isn't the whole world. (2) Apple sells less *units* at a far higher profit. This means they are very small in terms of sold *units*, but very large in terms of the actual market capitalization (ie. they are a large share of the money pie). (3) I am well aware that only Apple sells iOS devices and there is a vibrant market of manufacturers in the Android world -- in fact, that is my whole point! It's Google that is being fined for being anti-competitive, but it's actually Apple that is draconian in every single aspect of competition.
- Geric.770
- uSQ
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonymous, 19 Jul 2018What about it..?
In the case of why Apple hasn'... moreWell said.
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- Anonymous
- srr
- 19 Jul 2018
google took an free os(linux), removed features, made it more restrictive, and made it their own. they take 30% percent of all aps sold on playstore
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- Viraj Doshi
- PEh
- 19 Jul 2018
Microsoft should bring back Windows OS for mobile. It had better memory management.
Why is google saying like that ? Previously, the US courts also have punished Microsoft for IE. Didn't google learned the lesson from that instance ?
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- Open mind
- 3rD
- 19 Jul 2018
Hello
Could anyone explain why EU forces Google to remove Chrome browser from Android and not forcing Apple to do the same for their Safari and iOS?
It is nit make any sense!!
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- Sun Sand
- D0c
- 19 Jul 2018
Google gives the OS & updates free, while it spends oodles of money in creating, developing it. They're absolutely free to pre load their browser and search option as defaults in the devices.
These EU guys probably left the Brains behind in Womb, so they got a birdbrain instead!! Go find your real Brain and stick it up your head, maybe then they can sence in the current set up!
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- pl2rts
- pI@
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonym, 19 Jul 2018The EU did drop the ball, Apple has much more draconian ant... moreHow come apple have larger share on the market ? While apple do only flagship devices with over premium price even on there older devices that are 2-3 years old. While there are android OS devices from 20+ different companies that have at least 10 different version coming out every year from the price of 100 euro to 600 euro and brand companies from 200 euro to 800 euro. While world population that can afford Apple devices is something under 10 percent over 50% of android market in population and then there are 40% of poor people or that live in a area where dont have even electricity
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- Anonymous
- dM}
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonymous, 19 Jul 2018lol. ignorance and arrogance.Nope. Read what the poster said in 4) points.
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- KFQ
- 19 Jul 2018
History repeating itself. Microsoft then, Google now, something else tomorrow.
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- Anonymous
- dM}
- 19 Jul 2018
Geric.770, 19 Jul 2018What about Apple, EU?What about it..?
In the case of why Apple hasn't been mentioned in this regard, it's likely because iPhone and iOS are products operated and supplied completely by Apple, it's a complete package unlike Android which is customisable and upto OEMs to manage and decide on features to be used on subsequent devices. I doubt the EU legislation would have been necessary if Android was only supplied on phones direct from Google such as the Nexus and Pixel line of phones rather than being an operating system designed for various platforms and devices.
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- Anonymous
- yAK
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonymous, 19 Jul 2018is it really googles fault? like dont the phones brand have... moreI think Google have incentives for them to do it. Either that or they have to sign a contract for it. But i'll rather get Google apps and services than other 3rd party ones cos i dunno wtf these 3rd parties will do to my data or even have security in place to safeguard datas. Their dominant position is achieve cos of their effort over the years and EU simply just try to strip it off, then what's the point of a company trying to grow. If it's really for the interest of the people and other businesses, EU should have stop this the moment Google does it instead of waiting until they justify the fat paycheck of a fine.
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- Anonymous
- yAK
- 19 Jul 2018
sr777, 19 Jul 2018Sell phones without an OS in EU and give the users the choi... moreThen they'll sell way less units cos majority of people don't know wtf to do with them.
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- Anonym
- 60J
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonymous, 19 Jul 2018Here's the thing, even I don't like Apple's practices at al... moreThey sell less *units*, but make almost half of the money generated by the entire (hardware) market! In regards to apps, they sell even more than half!
That is, by all definitions, a dominant position in the market. Make no mistake, the reason they aren't getting fined is most likely just political agenda (ie. the link tax, the "right to be forgotten" which is actually a nice way to say delete the bad news about our corrupt bank-rollers, the pressure from traditional media to shutdown Google News, ...).
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- Anonymous
- KAx
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonym, 19 Jul 2018The problem you (and others are missing) is that market sha... moreI meant 50% iOS marketshare, sorry.
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- Anonymous
- KAx
- 19 Jul 2018
Anonym, 19 Jul 2018The problem you (and others are missing) is that market sha... moreHere's the thing, even I don't like Apple's practices at all. But they get a pass just because they sell much lesser phones than all Android phones combined. If ever iOS gets more than 5% marketshare, they are a goner. I am expecting a minimum of 20 Billion Euro fine for whatever they are doing with iOS :p
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- sr777
- teq
- 19 Jul 2018
Sell phones without an OS in EU and give the users the choice to download the ROM.