Huawei claims the Kirin 980 is faster than Apple’s A12 Bionic
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- 24 Sep 2018
I highly doubt that. Probably gonna be faster in a few specific cases. This seems like hype. They still haven't benchmarked it and claim it has 20% performance boost compared to 10nm chips, but not specifically SD 845. So my guess is it's slightly faster than SD 845 and come out 1/2 months before SD 855 which will blow it out of the water. As for the A12 ... STOP IT. GET HELP!
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- Shui8
- KZ8
- 24 Sep 2018
Kingslayer, 24 Sep 2018Huawei should create their own operating system if they wan... moreYou sir, have a point there. Not like others keep bashing things when there is no official confirmation yet.
Sit back, and relax.
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- Tim Arj
- sxr
- 24 Sep 2018
yes. they are fast. how about battery life? they should focus on that! it’s almost 2019 and we still need to charge phones everyday! hear?
- Kingslayer
- cUU
- 24 Sep 2018
Huawei should create their own operating system if they want to optimize the SoC better. Not just add a skin or customized Chinese ROM. Huawei was always poor with GPU. We'll see. I'm not into Chinese brands but I've watched Huawei expand since 2013 when the Ascend P6 was released.
In some ways, I hope Huawei is correct. Not that I care if they beat Apple or not. I actually don't care what Apple does. I'm just tired watching Android OEMs be so Qualcomm-reliant. I believe Qualcomm has a monopoly with Android OEMs who aren't Samsung or Huawei. I hate how Snapdragons OVERHEAT.
I think Qualcomm got complacent by 2014. By 2015, Apple's A9 has been dusting every new Snapdragon since. It's embarrassing to watch a Snapdragon 835 lose to A12. The Pixel 3 is now slower than the iPhone XS and it's not even released yet. That's the problem being dependent on Qualcomm's SoCs.
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- Anonymous
- wch
- 24 Sep 2018
It's not about the fastest that wins. It's how much energy it consumes to use that fast speed and how much heat is creates, that's what matter.
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- partha313
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- 24 Sep 2018
vasra, 24 Sep 2018Kirin 980 will probably be faster in some specific image cl... moreFirst time the mali gpu is going to wipe out adreno.
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- Jon.SWE
- mhB
- 24 Sep 2018
The problem with benchmarks of CPUs under different OSes is that they in no way tell us how the chips actually compares. What they tell us, is the performance under that OS.
And Apple has the ability to optimise much more than any using android. So their chipsets would benchmark higher in iOS than it would in Android.
For gaming it is likely that iOS plus Apple chipset will give the users the best gaming performance. So in the regard, that where it actually counts, when using it, expect Apple to beat the competition. But that doesn't mean their chipset is actually any better, because there is no way to test that.
In general use, things like transition effects play a huge part in the experience, so a faster chipset can feel slower. And power consumption might be tuned differently compared to when the chipset has to give all that it got, so it might not have all the performance at hand general use. And then there is prediction, and RAM management, that can affect how quickly something loads, that doesn't relate to the actual calculation power of the chipset.
If Qualcom, Samsung or Huawei manages to outscore Apples chipsets in benchmarks, without cheating and without any discovered issues with performance of that benchmark under iOS, well, then we could probably assume, that chipset is actually quicker. I'm not sure however that will ever happen.
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- AnonD-762416
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- 24 Sep 2018
If they fake their benchmarks as hard as Apple, anything is possible!
Look out, top500.org! Huawei and Apple are making super computing irrelevant, at least in their imaginary realities... :D
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 24 Sep 2018
Well apple chips can be faster but for a long usage game playing and many other where the chipset will be nonstop working i bet huawei preforms a lot better.
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- LG Superfan
- Nb@
- 24 Sep 2018
37% faster than Kirin 970 and 20% faster than Snapdragon 845 yet they claim it to be as fast as A12 while Snapdragon 855 is rumored to be equal to A11
If they are talking about real world performance most android phones are faster than iPhones so nothing great about it
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- Anonymous
- M3{
- 24 Sep 2018
I mean...why can´t it be?
I also think it´s very very unlikely but, who knows? Huawei is also a very capable company that has been able to design their own soc, the possiblility is there.
Just lets wait and see.
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- vasra
- pWD
- 24 Sep 2018
Kirin 980 will probably be faster in some specific image classification tests and perhaps some specific on-screen GPU-drawing.
Single core and multi-core benches - probably not.
Sustained performance and performance/Watt might be close to a tie or go to Bionic.
Well, only a couple of weeks to find out.
- Clearly Apple Hater
- KIB
- 24 Sep 2018
Apple has always lied but Huawei has made something to be believed.
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- Anonymous
- d%{
- 24 Sep 2018
apple is small fish for huawei.
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- travis999
- 39x
- 24 Sep 2018
bleh bleh bleh, who cares about figures.
Real world is what matters to buyers/users, comparing iffy figures for an orange to iffy figures for a lemon means nothing useful.
One runs an optimised os, there for compromised for anything else, against an os less optimised/less compromised, can you use an a12 to run anything but apple, no, can you run anything else but android on a kirin, yes, would many people want to do so, no. Do they both do the simple job of running a mobile phone well enough for most people, yes, will the next snapdragon do the same, yes, so who cares what iffy figures say about any of them, it means almost nothing. Are they all over the top spec wise for the job of of running mobile phones, yes, 80%of the performance is not used 95% of the time, does that effect battery life on all of them, yes. Compared to the first 1ghz snapdragon from ten years ago, are all those extra bits of silicon worth it, no, can a mobile from today, after ten years of supposed development do anything significantly new or better than was possible ten years ago, no, faster, yes, new, no.
Have we been lead up a dead end garden path for ten years, yes.
Somebody show me one example of something significantly useful that a new top spec phone can do, that an HTC hd2 can't be coaxed into doing, no new sensor types, still useless tiny camera lens, etc etc etc, we have stood still for ten years, in some ways, we have gone backwards, can any of the above mentioned new bits of silicon run full x86 code or desktop os's, you know, the stuff everyone uses for actually doing work with, well, no, do most productive folk still run a desktop or laptop, yes.
Shiny, pricey toys for folk that generate billions of pounds of profit for companies when the vast majority of buyers still only use them for basic jobs, a phone, messaging, bad pics, crude games, a clock etc.
we have all been conned...
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- Imperator Neubaticus
- 7X0
- 24 Sep 2018
Yeah because milliseconds are practical, am i right? Huawei is pathetic.
- Kiyasuriin
- smg
- 24 Sep 2018
Sad facts, 24 Sep 2018Same number of transistors.. plus having to run the unoptim... moreYou've clearly haven't used Android recently.
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- Furiounx
- 7tn
- 24 Sep 2018
Meh, doubt it. Plus this is the same company that was caught selling a phone advertising a selfie taken by the 'phone', which was found out to be taken by a DSLR.
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- Anonymous
- xhm
- 24 Sep 2018
More fast in live test ? Are you sure note not cheating any more ? Lol
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- Anonymous
- iL5
- 24 Sep 2018
midtownhero, 24 Sep 2018Poco f1 already beating xsmaxOn a speedtest which doesnt show how powerful a soc is