Samsung Galaxy S11 to feature 9-to-1 Bayer sensor on its 108MP camera
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- g5f
- 16 Dec 2019
Hdr, low light and per pixel detail is sure to get better, I would love the colors too. Though be it apple, xiaomi, samsung,... all tweak colors a bit differently, I find sony's one the best, at least until they process it. The rest feels like that of xperia Z3, its not all about optics and bayer, sensor tech behind the chip also matters.
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- 16 Dec 2019
Nick Tagataka, 16 Dec 2019That's because whatever the processing OnePlus' uses on the... moreOnly Sony and Samsung use DRAM.
Sony charged $25 for imx586, while they charged more from Apple.
Imx503 used by Apple has nothing special, just newer version based on 363.
This camera is just for S11+.
S11 and S11e will use 1/1.8" ....
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Dec 2019
Anonymous, 16 Dec 2019The rumor doesn't say that the sensor can combine 9 pixels ... moreIf they say pixel size becomes 2.4 , it means it does 12MP from 108.
You cannot do it if you downscale 27 to 12.
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- LQu
- 16 Dec 2019
Apple is so greedy that I bet iphone 12 pro will use 12MP 1/2.6" again.
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- iEn
- 16 Dec 2019
If they use 9 pixels with different exposures that could indeed be better than 1 pixel with larger area. Though how will raw 108mp image look with just 20 seconds exposure :o
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- 16 Dec 2019
IpsDisplay, 16 Dec 2019I disagree computational photography will make software sol... moreAnd that's exactly the problem! You are letting the camera to output photo that the software want, not what YOU want! From my personal experience with software-focused camera when focusing in JPEG, I always have to edit back the photo to get the setting that I personally want.
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- gBV
- 16 Dec 2019
Furthermore simply resizing 27 megapixels to 12 megapixels (this won't give you an advantage in image quality as every gallery app resizes in real time) makes sense in order to advertise a higher lossless zoom factor. For example if the main camera produces 27 megapixel photos, you can only claim 2x lossless zoom if the 2x camera produces 27 megapixel photos as well.
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- 16 Dec 2019
Anonymous, 16 Dec 2019The rumor doesn't say that the sensor can combine 9 pixels ... more"In good light conditions without dark shadows the noise is mostly random, this means that resizing a 27 megapixel photo gives you about the same result as a 12 megapixel sensor of the same size."
I wanted to say: the same result regarding noise. Resizing 27 megapixels to 12 megapixels would be sharper though.
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- gBV
- 16 Dec 2019
The rumor doesn't say that the sensor can combine 9 pixels on a hardware level. I wouldn't be surprised if the sensor can only combine 4 pixels on a hardware level. And then they could resize 27 megapixels to 12 megapixels for people who don't need 27 megapixels. Regarding noise the difference of downsampling 27 megapixel raw data to 12 megapixels compared to 108 to 12 megapixel hardware pixel binning would be only visible in very dark shadows (which could be brightened more) and in extreme darkness. In good light conditions without dark shadows the noise is mostly random, this means that resizing a 27 megapixel photo gives you about the same result as a 12 megapixel sensor of the same size. But a 12 megapixel Bayer sensor of the same size should be even better, unless you need a higher resolution or Quad Bayer HDR.
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 16 Dec 2019
exvitermini, 16 Dec 2019S11 to feature in europe the most subpar exynos yet. Bye by... moreI'm just SOOO glad that I will be able to get a SD version when it comes out in my country :)
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 16 Dec 2019
Shanti Dope, 16 Dec 2019OnePlus 7 series used the same IMX586 sensor along with the... moreThat's because whatever the processing OnePlus' uses on their phone is mediocre compared to HDR+ or Smart HDR, and GCam ports are obviously not optimised for OnePlus 7 like the way the stock Google Camera app is for Pixel 4, hence produced worse looking photo despite having slightly larger sensor. As I already said, if you want to compare the image quality in a fairest way as possible, you have to shoot in RAW format under exactly the same settings and situations.
"If such sensor actually did have a lot of potential, then the big smartphone OEMs themselves would've been first in line to use it on their flagship smartphones"
Many smartphone manufacturers picked 12MP sensor because they use custom sensors with dedicated DRAM on board or simply it's cheaper than the newer 48MP one, not because the 12MP sensors offer better raw image quality.
"entirely unusable"
Hence the binning process to increase the effective pixel size to 1.6µm.
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- Shanti Dope
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- 16 Dec 2019
Nick Tagataka, 16 Dec 2019"Everyone was hyping the 1.6um pixel size of 48MP and 64MP ... moreOnePlus 7 series used the same IMX586 sensor along with the flagship tier Snapdragon 855/855+ chipsets, and the results still aren't what one was expecting the sensor to perform. Heck, not even Google Camera was able to bring its performance to iPhone 11 Pro or Pixel 4 XL level in low light department.
If such sensor actually did have a lot of potential, then the big smartphone OEMs themselves would've been first in line to use it on their flagship smartphones.
1.25um pixels or 1.0um pixels whatever, that's still much better than ridiculous 0.8um pixels, which is entirely unusable in dim lighting situations.
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- gRy
- 16 Dec 2019
YUKI93, 16 Dec 2019Making a native 12MP camera with native 2.4 micron pixel wo... moreNative 12MP sensor with 2.4µm pixel pitch would have an identical size to 108MP sensor with 0.8µm pixels, or if anything it would be ever so slightly smaller, just saying.
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- 16 Dec 2019
LG Superfan, 16 Dec 2019This is interesting btw anyone knows how big are Huawei cam... moreP30 Pro uses the 40MP Sony IMX 600 with 1.0um native pixel size. After pixel binning, it outputs 10MP shots at 2.0um.
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 16 Dec 2019
Shanti Dope, 16 Dec 2019Honestly, I don't believe it would mean the greatest low li... more"Everyone was hyping the 1.6um pixel size of 48MP and 64MP Quad Bayer sensors, yet their results tell that they're no better than 12MP 1.4um pixel sensors"
That's mostly due to the fact that those QB sensors are used on midrange phones with poor image processing whereas the 12MP sensor is on high end phones from Apple and Google, who are easily one of the best when it comes to image processing techniques. So yours won't be a valid argument unless you take RAW images under an identical lighting conditions and SS/ISO settings and compare them side by side.
"80MP sensor of the same sensor size with a more reasonable 1.25um (approx.)"
That would be 1" sensor, not 1/1.33".
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- 16 Dec 2019
YUKI93, 16 Dec 2019I do agree with you, native sensor will always perform bett... moreNokia 808 is a horrible low light performer by today's standards especially when you consider its sensor size, and One M8 is, well... a turd? Those two were hard to beat in low light back in 2015, but the same doesn't apply in 2019.
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- 16 Dec 2019
harlekkin, 16 Dec 2019I don't get it. Why create an ultra-crammed 108Mpx sensor t... moreIt probably works well together with the telephoto lens for hybrid zoom, but mainly it's marketing
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- 16 Dec 2019
Anonymous, 16 Dec 2019I hope the binning is an option, so you can choice no binni... moreUnfortunately that's not how this sensor works.
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- 16 Dec 2019
The Last Oracle, 16 Dec 2019I suggested it should be 9:1, since bayer pattern in Quad P... moreThat certainly sounds interesting if it's true, though I'm curious how Nona Bayer could get rid of false colours that Quad Bayer would cause in full resolution mode. Since more complex array conversion processing would be required to construct full 108MP on NB, theoretically it should introduce *more* artifacts, not less.