2021 iPhones will have smaller notches, LiDAR and sensor-shift OIS

21 January 2021
We're expecting four iPhone 12S phones in the Fall.

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  • 22 Jan 2021

Wily2021, 22 Jan 2021Those android companies doesn't have Face ID tech. It&... more"Face ID" - this essential feature is so necessary that Apple can't get rid of! Of course they removed 3.5mm jack, but the can't remove "Notch"... Because Face ID!..
Of course everyone has own taste, but for me using fingerprint is more convenient than using Face ID tech (especially underdisplay fingerprint). Apple can get rid of notch, but they don't, because the try to stretch time to avoid new design. Less new stuff each year, less effort, more profit.

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    • 22 Jan 2021

    AnonD-804996, 22 Jan 2021No, I'm not "blind for iPhone". I literally ... moreAnd what do you get with newer iOS updates? Number changes from 14 to 15, then 15 to 16? Really cool... Yeah, iOS introduced widgets (which were on Android for 5-6 years), but it's more a "toy" feature for iOS users. Anything important and vital added? No, so that support means almost nothing, same goes with Android. It's almost perfect OS in terms of variety of functions and features, each new update barely adds anything new because there is nothing to add tbh.

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      • 22 Jan 2021

      Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021Yes they did update, unlike iphones. You are just too blind... moreNo, I'm not "blind for iPhone". I literally went with iPhone because I was fed up with BS updating on Android which I was dealing with since Eiclar when I first bought Android phone. And every god damn device I had got dropped the moment some cool feature was released in Android. Every single bloody time. So quit your baseless accusing.

      You may call it thrash because you're an actual blind Apple hater, but not one Android phone has provided me such amazing experience to date as iPhone XR which I'm still holding on to because suprise surprise, I'm not being left out of software after 2 damn years. Like it happened with every Android phone. And I damn well know I'll get iOS 15 and iOS 16 guaranteed, probably even iOS 17. At which point it'll be around 5 years and then I'm expecting to get it dropped from updates. And I'll be fine with it because 5 years is acceptable full support. It's just something unthinkable on Android phones to have so many major updates to the phone. Might even drop those 50-70€ for official battery replacement. Also something I never ever considered with Android because there was no point in putting money into device that is EOL and isn't getting any updates even though it's still capable enough to easily be supported for more years...

      Also no, we don't just buy anything Apple releases. But when you have to pick between staying with Apple with something radical changed and having to switch back to garbage Android experience, I might just suck it up and ignore missing charger and buy iPhone again. Opposed to dealing with all the updating nonsense and creepy Google again. It's why people stick with iPhones. Between two evils, you pick the lesser one. And that's iPhone then.

        Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021So Apple invented Face ID. And from 2017 until now, what di... moreWhy you are so bitter? Are you envy that we can do that? Why you care how others spend their money?

        ” They squeeze every last euro from their customers and they give them nothing in terms of design or innovation.”

        They give something for return just like everyone else too. And it just depends where you come from what is your current phone. For example i already have a great 11 Pro and really didn’t see any reason to upgrade to 12 Pro. It’s just a fact that in current smartphone trend yearly upgrades are really small with every company. That’s why Android companies struggle to sell their flagship. Apple is able to sell them because they have a huge userbase so there’s every year lot of people to upgrade from old models. Their cycle is really great.

        Basicly if you don’t care about mobile photography there’s no really reasons to upgrade phone anymore. If you look S21, it really didn’t bring anything else to market than upgraded camera and that’s why market were so underwhelmed by it, it’s just how the things are nowdays. By what you said, Samsung didn’t give anything and even went to remove many things :D

        I could propably easily go still three years with this 11 Pro if i wouldn’t be into photography.

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          • 22 Jan 2021

          Wily2021, 22 Jan 2021Those android companies doesn't have Face ID tech. It&... moreSo Apple invented Face ID. And from 2017 until now, what did they do with that? Nothing. Is the same d*mn design since 4 years ago. And it will stay like that for another 2.
          I mean is perfect from their point of view. They squeeze every last euro from their customers and they give them nothing in terms of design or innovation.
          Oh yeah, 0.1mm smaller notch. Wow, just wow, worth it. Lol. Here is my 1000EUR for a new iphone.

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            • 22 Jan 2021

            AnonD-804996, 22 Jan 2021You keep repeating this "Android phones have updated&q... moreYes they did update, unlike iphones. You are just too blinded by your love for Apple to see it. Just look at an iphone 6 and an iphone SE 2020. They're basically the same phones (minus the chipset and camera). There is your Apple innovation for you. Zero. But, they have the nerve to ask 450EUR for that piece of tr*sh. Because they know their loyal fanboys will buy just about anything they released.
            Look at a Samsung S5 fro example and the newer Samsung phones. See any difference? Of course you don't. you see only Apple.
            And the same is for other Android phones as well. Xiaomi, Huawei, One Plus. All upgraded their phones in the last couple of years.
            Apple just improves chipset and camera. And from time to time they decide to bring back older designs (like they did this year with iphone 12 series, copy of iphone 5, 5s designs). And they call it "innovation". Lol. The only innovation Apple is doing is disrupting the market with their pathetic ideas (removing stuff). Their design and R&D departments should be fired and start from scratch with new people (including their CEO, which is just magnet for money, not innovation).
            And until that changes, Apple will be just the same. Interested in profit, nothing else. And their loyal fanboys praising and buying anything they released.

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              • 22 Jan 2021

              PeterThePanda, 22 Jan 2021Wow. Welcome to 2018 Apple. You’re finally getting that hid... moreThose android companies doesn't have Face ID tech. It's just a choice and compromise and based on sales, it's clearly right choice ;)

                Wow. Welcome to 2018 Apple. You’re finally getting that hideous bathtub notch smaller when many Android OEMs are now using punch hole cameras and are now getting closer to under display cameras.

                Maybe in 2025 iPhones will finally have Punch Hole cameras and in 2040 they’ll finally “invent” underscreen cameras. Still, their happy suckers er I mean customers will still think that it’s the greatest “invention” since sliced bread. Lol

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                  • 22 Jan 2021

                  https://www.counterpointresearch.com/samsung-galaxy-s21-can-flagship-samsung-needs-europe/

                  November 2020 Apple alone sold whopping 73% of all over $500 phones in EU. Where are buyers of android premium phones? These bitter droidboys keep talking about those and yet they aren't showing in any sales.

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                    • 22 Jan 2021

                    Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021The thing is, most Apple users don't look at specs and... more"The thing is, most Apple users don't look at specs and stuff when buying the phone, they only look at brand name and because iPhone is popular, they buy it without comparing to other models.

                    Apple users? this pretty much fits to every smartphone buyer, Average iPhone users look lot more specs and do comparison than average android users, because well android owns over 80% of markets so it means there's whole lot more normal people buying android phone than iPhone.

                    People just don't care these things and why should they? They have other interests in life. Come out of the tech bubble! ;) And of course people look brand name, just like people usually does, when company have big brand name it usually means they have great products. It takes years and years to build the brand and you can also ruin it very fast. Let's remember that Apple had zero brand name in phone business and they were underdog and most thought they wouldn't survive because Nokia were so superior. But with all the hard work year after year it have made a huge impact for the market and they just keep going and going and getting bigger and bigger. Samsung also had that very good brand name, but the brand name just didn't met the expectations and slowly every year Samsung brand image in phones have gotten worse and it shows in their sales too.

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                      • 22 Jan 2021

                      Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021It does matter. Because Android phones have updated, have c... moreYou keep repeating this "Android phones have updated" except they haven't because their updating scheme is a total joke across the board. And when we tell you that, you go on and repeat the same old how Android 1.0 is 10 years ahead of iOS 14. And anyone is suppose to take you seriously. LMAO

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 22 Jan 2021

                        Wily, 22 Jan 2021You can't really say which one is better as they are c... moreThe thing is, most Apple users don't look at specs and stuff when buying the phone, they only look at brand name and because iPhone is popular, they buy it without comparing to other models. iPhone SE is a big failure in my opinion, the only selling point is compact size and strong processor... but those advantages are nullified when you consider other specs. Design-wise its 5-6 years old, huge bezels, battery is awful and one of the worst nowadays, IPS display (which could be Oled, but hey, Apple wants more profit!)
                        It's better to buy Pixel 4a in that price segment, which is also compact -> you get one of the best cameras for that price, slightly better battery, pretty design, Oled screen and processor which is suitable for daily stuff and light gaming.

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                          • 22 Jan 2021

                          Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021A 200EUR Android phone is better though. Just look at the i... moreYou can't really say which one is better as they are completely different products, so it's just matter of taste and neither one is better than other, It's the big crowd who decide which is better and more suitable for them.

                          I also think what lacks in your comparison if one is thinking buying iPhone SE they clearly want more compact phone, other way they would thinking to buy used iPhone or some other model.

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                            • 22 Jan 2021

                            Wily2021, 22 Jan 2021Lot of people want iPhone, Apple selling lot more flagship ... moreA 200EUR Android phone is better though. Just look at the iphone SE and a Realme or Xiaomi 200EUR phone.
                            People praise that chipset from the iphone SE, but nobody is taking advantage of it, because it will consume the battery in 3 hours. Lol. You have such a "powerful" iphone and you keep it in your pocket afraid not to deplete the battery. Lol.
                            The motto of iphones users should be: "Ap*s together strong."

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                              • 22 Jan 2021

                              Wily2021, 22 Jan 2021Lot of people want iPhone, Apple selling lot more flagship ... moreApple doesn't release a 200EUR phone because they will not get any profit out of it.
                              They released an iphone with old design (so basically 0 cost for them in that department) and they still ask 450EUR for it. And d*mb people still buy it and praise it. Even though is the worst 450EUR phone ever (except the chipset). That's the power of Apple marketing and the id**cy of some people.

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                                • 22 Jan 2021

                                [deleted post]Clearly majority of premium phone users doesn't, Apple sold 74% of all over $500 phones in november in EU.

                                "Apple joins the 5G fight
                                The Galaxy S21’s price – the basic model will start at €849 ($1,030) – puts it firmly in the premium category, which is Apple’s home turf. In Q3 2020, Apple accounted for 45% of European smartphone sales in the premium segment (>$500 wholesale), followed by Samsung with 39%. But in November, the first full month of iPhone 12 sales, Apple accounted for 74% (Samsung had 16%).

                                A key concern for Samsung is that Apple’s latest offering – the iPhone 12 – is (finally) 5G enabled, which means Samsung’s near monopoly of the premium 5G segment is over. In Q3 2020, Samsung accounted for 65% of European premium 5G smartphone sales; in November, Apple took 73%.

                                The fact that Samsung’s early launch was only 12 weeks after the iPhone 12 arrived won’t help matters. The iPhone 12 is proving to be a huge success in Europe, and is taking the wind out of competitors’ sails by dominating promotions, shelf space and the online visibility. By launching the Galaxy S21 so soon, Samsung is risking getting lost in Apple’s wake."

                                So funny, it took two months! for Apple to completely own 5G market while competition have had 5G phones for long time, just shows how few android premium phones been sold.

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                                  • 22 Jan 2021

                                  Love the iPhone very simplified to use!
                                  But I think the Samsung Galaxy etc is better looking now!!!

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                                    • 22 Jan 2021

                                    smaller notch has been a topic since the very first iPhone came with one, it wont happen yet, the S model will be an internals upgrade and non structural change, more likely that any major design shift will be for iphone 13 if it gets called that, its the single most dreadful design ever, i have gotton used to it but its just horrid as a design, and massively outdated looking

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                                      • 22 Jan 2021

                                      [deleted post]Lot of people want iPhone, Apple selling lot more flagship phones than others combined pretty much proves that. Android sales are mostly happening in $200 price and Apple doesn't anything to to offer there because they don't need to. Android companies are fighting for leftovers and trying to stay in competition. But like LG situation shows, it's getting more and more difficult. HTC will be next then Sony and so on.

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                                        Anonymous, 22 Jan 2021Last time Apple innovated was the first iPhone. They are d... more"You still stuck on S20 sales?? Lol they sold millions and the pre orders for the S21 are even more than S20 series."

                                        S20 was flop, it also had better pre orders than S10 :D Problem with Samsung is that every year the drop after pre orders and first peak sales happens faster. based on how underwhelming interest is towards S21, i would except the sales going to be really disappointing after their fans got their phones.

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