Apple iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max bring 120Hz displays, overhauled cameras

14 September 2021
The Apple A15 chipset on the Pro phones has a 5-core GPU, instead of 4-core like on the vanilla models.

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  • Max

1.9 mm pixel?
I cannot find this sensor in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor#List_of_Exmor_RS_sensors
only old MX555 have 1.8 mm pixel.

  • Lyrienne

walkman8, 14 Sep 2021Solid upgrades-not. Looking forward to 15th generation with... moreExcuse me?
THIS is the 15th generation iPhone. Perhaps you're referring to the 16th or 17th generation. If what the mold of the iPhone 14 shows is true. this is a likely chance you'll get a MUCH less intrusive "cut out" of the iPhone. and likely will be used by Under display FaceID or something.

  • Anonymous

Basically just an iphone 12+

More like iphone 12.5

cmbo, 14 Sep 2021You have to realize that people care about stability. The i... morePeople may care about stability, but iPhones aren't for that. Most Android flagships give consistent photos aswell, you ever used one?
Yes, design is subjective i like how the Pixel 6 looks but some people hate it, understandable.
But that notch is old news, and they could implement TouchID just like their iPads has it.
Can you unlock FaceID with a mask on btw?

iPhones gets a ton of updates because iOS looks exactly the same since iOS... 7 somewhere, they just get features Android had for years. We are not in the TouchWiz days anymore, OneUI is smooth on flagships and still smooth on midrangers as well.
Yeah Android phones losses value quick, though noticed Samsung phones lose less value. Now compared to iPhones, Android lose way more because iPhones are overpriced. People know Apple devices are trendy, look at a Macbook vs any Windows laptop in terms of price/peformance.
A 2 year old Galaxy S10 works just as fast as when it launched.

Try to see past your biased fanboyism to Apple.

Here's a major knock on the Tensor chip if you happen to love playing emulators like I'm currently doing and planning to get a Pixel 6 or 6 Pro. Tensor is as powerful as a Snapdragon 765G. And 765G was not as powerful an 845. My Pixel 3 with 845 can't play Dolphin Emulator as well as my Flip 3 with 888. You need at least 865.

You'll get better battery life with the Tensor but in the long run, things like running an emulator from a 20-year-old console starts rearing its ugly head. This is why I'm choosing Samsung over Google in this decade. They always equip their flagships with the best Qualcomm chips. They also have the customer service to cover me if I ever have problems later.

Samsung > Google > Apple

  • JustSomeRandomGuy

ROG Phone - arguably the best gaming phone w/unmatched first party gaming accessories, unrivaled battery life, sweet audio quality like LG, class leading refresh rate displays
Samsung - innovative and industry leading Folding screen/phone technology, best mobile phone camera zoom that's actually useful much like the Huawei P30 Pro
Google Pixel - leading computational photography and arguably, the cleanest form of Android
Xiaomi - undeniably best value for money phones, great specs to price ratio, one of the fastest charging tech at 120 watts
Sony - world's first variable optical zoom camera that physically moves to zoom, a literal DSLR manual camera controls
ZTE - innovative and best under display selfie camera for an uninterrupted full screen experience w/tolerable results from said camera


and then there this...the iPhone 13 series. what's new? a smaller notch, new colors and that's pretty much it

damn, glad I stopped being a rabid Apple fanboy many years ago

  • Anonymous

Ok. From a camera technologist point of view. The opening sequences looked like ProRes Raw shot on a cookout compromised little Sony sensor, but very palatable. It has a more advanced version of the color of a short film that premiered here around 4 plus years ago. The delivery rider promotional shot, shows another more normal color grade, but it came seen as not as good as a proper pro camera. But, the reality of the demo video was less
The murder mystery video on the normal iPhone 13, was crappy. It made people have the cardboard cut out look, which made me reject iPhone photography out of hand years back. I don't even know if this is truely representative, or something which happened with the project.. It's also not very good bokeh. The computational photography dud not impress me. Time to finally get real, and introduce that 4 camera island, used as 4 views, to get impressive bokeh effects, over death calculated stuff using one or two lenses. It is not a great look.

Moving into the Pro cameras, I wish they haven't declared the iPhone 13, to be the lesser models, like there was no Pro, and this was it. The situation is a lot better. The delivery rider promotional video looks lile it could have been shot with this under normal pro res, rather than Raw (which could also be used but you might get more out of). It's acceptable in a very good handycam sort of way.

The sample scenes shot show the short comings. A lot of action and scene cutting makes it hard to see what is happening, but it's there. The results were underwhelming, they were what as should be able to get, visually, if they made $200 camera phones right. My less than $100 mini (an actual mini phone smaller than the original iPhone) Could probably take this on visually, in proper lighting, but I have explored rigging that one up with descent apps yet. However, prores raw, should be more like the intro video, we all hope. Put it this way, the iPhone 13 mini should, at least be visually good as the pro video samples here, and should come with ProRes and ProRes raw, but as are not getting what we really want. Positive comments are to be had about the the thought of an original iPhone SE sized pro phone with ProRes or ProRes raw. I ask Apple to dump these features into the mini. It means you have. Little uncumbersome pro tool in your pocket for interviews or film anything at any time anywhere, and as a personal tool. The 4kp30 restriction is Apple Sony low, 4kp50/60 is great option, and for pro sports filming.

No 8k, no mention of 12 bit+ (which these sensors usually support internally within phone). No mention of 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 video node. No 8kp50/60.

What I really think is happening here, with the ProRes 4kp30 limit, without talk of 12bit+ 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, is that they are doing a new ProRes codec engine, maybe based on heif codec, and they don't want to devote the silicon to run that high featured or to record over 100MByte per second (4k) and don't want to include external recording for real pros to do so, or anybody shooting a wedding, or super big internal flash memories. What we are likely to get, is more compressed ProRes compression modes. ProRes Raw could use less memory, then normal ProRes though (it is more efficient to compress the raw sensor image pattern rather than larger calculated 4:2:2 pattern). They are finalizing what they can do and polishing ProRes, maybe raw, to the system. If just normal ProRes, the video format will be at most 4:2:2 at full resolution. An adaptive bit rate, lower quality, will be closer to 27MByte/s. If it's below 50MB/s, I'm disappointed, just because the extra data gives extra quality on a big screen, to work with.

Anyway. So, the new mini will look more like the old iPhone SE styling. But, as this is the last mini, and they are missing out on the ProRes video features there, I'm going have to miss out on it, likely. Maybe the smaller Samsung might be viable. I suspect that now Apple had done this, we will see similar, or better, virtual containerised (speed streamlined) cdng or heif from the other chipset manufacturers, and phone companies (any of them could program normal cdng or open sourced cineform to run on the CPU and gpu's of the chipset, bi-passing the limited codec hardware).

The new iPhones are very nice, feature wise. The performance comparison, is to old chips. The new competing chipsets are about to be announced. I suspect. In many ways, Apple will still be ahead.

These look pretty decent, better than the Pixel 6 imo.

  • AnonF-1013367

iPhone 13 pro max 240 grams slab, 30 grams less then the z fold 3

  • AnonF-1013367

Anonymous, 14 Sep 2021geekbench scores please1.7k single core 4.3k multi core

  • Anonymous

geekbench scores please

I'm not fan of apple, so I couldn't catch a change in design, its like designers made 1.000.000 changes to it - I got no such eyes though.
What is worrisome more is, smooth side. Slippery means it's harder to lift, easier to fall... Nobody told them?

  • JESC

Well, nothing new here but the difference is how good the iPhone always work. So I'm not expecting to find any dropframe in the display, I'm expecting amazing photography and videography.

  • Anonymous

YUKI93, 14 Sep 2021Tbh, I don't think punch hole looks any better either.... morePunch hole is way better that notch is vile

  • Anonymous

cmbo, 14 Sep 2021You have to realize that people care about stability. The i... moreApple cameras give great results?? Are you kidding me?? Have you not seen the 12 Pro and Max reviews on here?? Try pixel peeping it has horrible quality

  • Anonymous

Apple finally caught up 2 years behind

  • Anonymous

nice looking notch lol.. so big and ugly

  • Anonymous

Very good

Solid upgrades-not. Looking forward to 15th generation with no cutouts, half-decent cooling systems and underdisplay fingerprint sensor.