Samsung Galaxy Z Fold4 and Z Flip4 details leak

18 November 2021
Both foldables will be improved next year.

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  • 19 Nov 2021

joe nodden, 19 Nov 2021Lemme make myself clear. I hate punch holes, I hate the way... moreWell, just think about how I said that the only good thing about underdisplay camera would be to remove the camera.
A way to get a phone with no front camera that quite a few do want.
Which would be the only way to avoid both the underdisplay and the notch/punch hole invasion for anyone looking for an alternative.
So the only good thing about it is if it wouldn't exist, so I don't think my argument was bad, but I may simply not have been clear enough.

    Skipping the 4th iteration would be a good idea or getting the 3 at reduced price. The 4 won't bring any changes other than a higher price tag. The Fold 5 will bring much needed hardware and software upgrades.

    Samsung will once again on Fold4 cheap out on battery life and cameras.

      This will be a problem if the Fold 4 doesn't at least get to 5,000mAH. The battery of the 3 was bad. My wife wants one but I told her to wait next year in hopes that the battery life improves.

      Samsung better not blow it. Even two 2,500mAH batteries on both sides of the fold (to even give us a better reason for 45W charging) would suffice.

        Anonymous, 19 Nov 2021To become mainstream the fold needs two tgings - to be a g... moreSure the average user walks around researching military grade certification of devices 😂😂😂

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          • Kx6
          • 19 Nov 2021

          I am still waiting for foldable S Pen and floating refrigerator from samsung.

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            • Anonymous
            • vIs
            • 19 Nov 2021

            To become mainstream the fold needs two tgings
            - to be a good sized tablet (10 / 12) when opened. Say two S21 ultras put together.
            - IP 68 / MILT 810G Certified

              Anonymous, 19 Nov 2021Please don't start the punch hole argument with this guy.. I will if he decides to argue.

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                • Anonymous
                • XV5
                • 19 Nov 2021

                Samsung, just close the gap when folded and make the inner screen 8 inches. With spen within the phone. Your fold 4 will be successful.

                  i0S.- Never.- Again, 19 Nov 2021The battery capacity should be bigger.... There's simp... moreThe reason is the obvious portability. The thickness when folded up is great. Add 2-3mm unfolded means 5mm folded and it's suddenly not a very comfortable phone. Especially the Flip3 that most gets is brilliant because it is so tiny when folded up and the battery at 3300mAh is not small, it's just not Ultra big. That trade-off makes even more sense when you consider they are using a lot less power hungry camera sensors, too. The battery life is fine. I'm on my second generation Flip and battery life works just fine for me.

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                    • Anonymous
                    • 0Ru
                    • 19 Nov 2021

                    Increased battery capacity should be the top priority. A 3300mah cell (on the flip) for the 3rd straight year is criminal. Another year I won't hop on the foldable wagon.

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                      • 19 Nov 2021

                      joe nodden, 19 Nov 2021Lemme make myself clear. I hate punch holes, I hate the way... morePlease don't start the punch hole argument with this guy..

                        AnonD-909757, 19 Nov 2021Maybe because both are as stupid as each others? Literal... moreLemme make myself clear. I hate punch holes, I hate the way companies prioritize camera quality over display quality in under-display cameras, (I still think under-display cameras have a ton of potential) I love pop up cameras, and I don't mind cameras in the bezels. (I mean look at the Meizu 16s Pro)

                        What makes no sense to me is the way you're arguing. The first analogy makes no sense and your original comment makes little sense.

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                          • 19 Nov 2021

                          joe nodden, 19 Nov 2021What the heck are you saying? In the first half you're... moreMaybe because both are as stupid as each others?

                          Literally, it is like :
                          1: A house where you have no windows, but instead you have some pinholes you need to put your eye against to see the outside, (and you can't see when someone outside is looking at you if you aren't close enough), just so you can justify having a big continuous wall, and because "ElEcTrIc StOrEs ArE mAdE oF mOvInG pArTs AnD wIlL bReAk, AnD mY hOuSe WoN't Be AbLe To StAy UnDeRwAtEr EvEn iF wAtEr CaN aLrEaDy PaSs ThRoUgH tHe DoOr".
                          2: Putting a hole in your TV, so you can put a 60mm speakers in it...
                          Just so the sound come from in front of you, rather than just putting a soundbar under your TV...

                          Bezels were fine, pop-up were fine, heck, even the iPhone notch is fine, at least it comes with many sensors, but it was never meant to be for Android OS because of the notification area.
                          Because of the punch hole, we went from this :
                          https://www.systemplus.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/S9_Samsung_Front_view_System_Plus_Consulting.png
                          Which by the way looks really good, no need for "edge to edge display"...
                          To a single hole for a single camera and a more expensive and less effective ambient light + proximity sensor combo.

                          And in fact, I wouldn't care about punch holes, teardrop notches and underdisplay camera if they were not flooding the market and preventing any other options/designs/features to be available.

                            The battery capacity should be bigger.... There's simply no reason for such a weak capacity battery to be coupled with a device meant for productivity, sporting two high refresh rate panels.

                              AnonD-909757, 19 Nov 2021"improved" under display camera tech. That'... moreWhat the heck are you saying? In the first half you're insulting under-display camera tech, and in the second half you're going off on a tangent about punch hole cameras?

                                I'm waiting for the Fold 4 to get released so I can get the Fold 3 at half the price. I don't see much changes.

                                I don't need the Flip 4 because I figure the only improvement might come from a bigger cover display and I already have that covered by the Razr 5G. I doubt they increase much of the battery.

                                The Flip 3 is close to flawless for me. None of the Flip 4's improvements would really affect how we use them. Be like the Flip 3 but only slightly better in a few areas. The 3 wasn't a drastic improvement from the original Flip 5G.

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                                  • 19 Nov 2021

                                  "improved" under display camera tech.
                                  That's the same principle as polishing a turd, this "tech" is just a waste of money, resources and potential.
                                  The ONLY good think about it is that we can teardown the phone, remove this privacy invasive spycam, and enjoy a phone without the punch hole horror.

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                                    • 3Ag
                                    • 18 Nov 2021

                                    I wish that Samsung will increase the battery capacitive, now it's bad.

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                                      • Sjt
                                      • 18 Nov 2021

                                      Samsung should focus on s22 ultra.

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                                        • 18 Nov 2021

                                        Champoikoi, 18 Nov 2021Have the Flod3 - Would just like the size to get bigger so ... moreSamsung will not solve all of the Fold letdowns in one generation.

                                        I expect the Fold 4 to only get better UDCs, current-gen flagship grade main cameras, and more software polish with Android 12L. Anything else is extra.

                                        Crease removal, larger screen, larger battery, S-Pen slot will be shelved for later generations for obvious reasons.