China sets aside $47 billion to boost its chip industry

27 May 2024
The finance ministry is the biggest shareholder in a new investment fund.

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Tsmc needs to be sold to someone in USA to be safe ..

    Ouifuf, 27 May 2024China about to create its own lithohlgraphy machines at thi... moreThat would be great. How is it that ASML hasn't got any competition after all this time?

      Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Moldova is majority ethnic Romanian, and is right next to R... moreThose countries you mentioned had freedom events in their territory, unlike Taiwan. They only argued against political ideology. Nothing happened between them for the territories. Majority of the countries belive in One China Policy.

        Anonymous, 27 May 2024Intel 4 is 7nm at best and Intel just achieved that using E... more7nm DUV has terrible yields and high defect rates, and none of what you just said is true. 5nm DUV is theoretically possible, but the yields and rate of defects are so bad that only through government money can they make it economically viable.

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          • 27 May 2024

          Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024There is quite some evidence here that Intel 4 is actually ... moreYou can believe intel claim that intel 10nm is as good as TSMC 7nm.
          But you can't believe that SMIC can do 5nm without DUV.

          I see the problem is just you're bias.
          You don't like China, and you discredit anything China did

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            • 27 May 2024

            Anonymous, 27 May 2024From when democratic means that you are not oppressive and ... morethat is fair.

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              • 27 May 2024

              Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024There is quite some evidence here that Intel 4 is actually ... moreIntel 4 is 7nm at best and Intel just achieved that using EUV lithography. SMIC was producing 7nm at least 2 years ago using DUV tech and are on their way to producing 5nm chips. Intel is way behind despite having the best tools available.

                China about to create its own lithohlgraphy machines at this point.

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                  • 27 May 2024

                  45nm is not a dream anymore.

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                    • Anonymous
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                    • 27 May 2024

                    Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024I'm not saying China should give up, I'm saying t... moreLOL at you.

                    Just see the fact...
                    China have the best HSR network --- 60,000 km

                    China have the best 5G system --- Anywhere in their 80 biggest city (city that have population more than 3 million people), you can have an average of 300mbps... Again, anywhere... compared to the USA that need line of sight because insisting on mmWaves.

                    China HVAC now at 80% market share
                    China lead more than 10 years in battery tech
                    China NEV/BEV is leading
                    40% of top 100 game revenue is from China (from which ZERO dollar 10 years ago)
                    90% Photovoltage is produced by China
                    I could go on and on....

                    In summary,
                    America might still lead in some aspect, but it just a matter of time.

                      Anonymous, 27 May 2024You're confusing marketing term and science. Intel 4,... moreThere is quite some evidence here that Intel 4 is actually competitive with TSMC N4, and even with TSMC N3E. I was initially very skeptical, but it is true that this isn't just marketing to make them sound as good as the competition.

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                        • 27 May 2024

                        Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Intel Foundries has quite literally released Intel 4 this y... moreYou're confusing marketing term and science.
                        Intel 4, Intel 7 is NOT real cpu size, it's a marketing term
                        Intel create this marketing term to fight back against their inability to create small node CPU

                          Anonymous, 27 May 2024Are you implying that China should just stop research and g... moreI'm not saying China should give up, I'm saying that they're not actually tackling the core of the problem.

                          Also, having 10 times the amount of STEM graduates does not translate linearly into a 10× decrease in time required for research and inventions to come into fruition. It also does not necessarily mean that all of those STEM graduates will be as valuable. There's lots of factors at play here. I'm not discounting Chinese STEM graduates' capabilities here, and in fact the average Chinese STEM graduate might be better than the average American STEM graduate, but you don't have any control variables here to prove your claim. Plus, you're not even claiming one thing, you're claiming 5 different things, which you'd need to separately test for and prove, and then prove that they all interact with each other.

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                            • 27 May 2024

                            Anonymous, 27 May 2024"but rather in terms of what would happen to advanced ... more"China will also not steal TSMC, China will let TSMC do what they do now, business as usual, because this is not a fight of China vs TSMC, but a fight on China vs. renegade province."
                            TSMC is not as important as some think in the long run. They are important only because of their capacity and topnotch process, but without machines from ASML they would lose their dominant position pretty fast.

                            Also this is a fight between PRC vs ROC not just a renegade province, even If It's not recognized, in the past It was actually the other way around.
                            Both are claiming the territory in the others control and It has really nothing to do with USA, but they just love to poke their noses into others business If their is an advantage for them.

                              Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Completely agreed. Subsidies are not only wasteful, but the... moreAnd if there's a problem, instead of working harder, they're taught to fight for more government stimulus to "save jobs". If someone has a business idea they should be able to get loans or private investment.

                              If a few percent interest per year is what's keeping these "important new businesses" from emerging, then they can't be worth the stimulus.

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                                • 27 May 2024

                                Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Throwing more money at the problem is only going to margina... moreAre you implying that China should just stop research and give up?
                                Please remember that America only own 10% of the IP, and acted as they own everything.
                                China STEM graduate is 10x America now, means China research capability is 10x of America. What America do in 10 years can be done in 1 years by China.

                                  Rob, 27 May 2024And where did I write you are an American? Nowhere, so stop... moreTaiwan hasn't seen itself as the true China for a while, although obviously the opinions of different sections of Taiwan's society are very different to one another. Still, considering that they voted against a pro-China candidate in favour of one who not only is heavily against China, but also doesn't consider Taiwan as the real China but rather its own country, the majority of people in Taiwan definitely don't think of their country as anything other than an independent nation with zero ties to China.

                                    Anonymous, 27 May 2024AMD, nVidia & Apple will not use intel foundries. And ... moreIntel Foundries has quite literally released Intel 4 this year, complete with Backside Power Delivery (BPD). They're not stuck at 10nm EUV (Intel 7). Compare that with SMIC, who quite literally cannot go beyond 5nm DUV, and requires the government to baby them in order to have enough production capacity so that they can overcome the issues terrible yields and high defect rates cause via brute force.

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                                      Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024I'm not American, so if that's all you took from ... moreAnd where did I write you are an American? Nowhere, so stop making things up.
                                      I said how I see Americans and their government as a reply to a different post not from you.

                                      BTW, you can put as much X as you want, but what I wrote in my other posts is not wrong.
                                      If you have arguments against what I wrote then post It.
                                      And PureOS is right about both PRC and ROC seeing each other territory as their own.

                                        alcatraz, 27 May 2024I have my fingers crossed for chinese chip manufacturing to... moreCompletely agreed. Subsidies are not only wasteful, but they're frequently used as a crutch instead of solving structural problems, and they're also given to make failing businesses stay afloat artificially when they would've otherwise collapsed under natural conditions.

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