China sets aside $47 billion to boost its chip industry

27 May 2024
The finance ministry is the biggest shareholder in a new investment fund.

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Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024You forgot about Intel Foundries. Nvidia actually seems to ... moreAMD, nVidia & Apple will not use intel foundries.
And can't use intel foundries.
You can search on internet on how intel foundries a bit different that make them stuck at 10nm.
And also.... intel still on 10nm, if AMD, nVidia & Apple use 10nm, their Antutu CPU quality will fall behind Huawei.

    I have my fingers crossed for chinese chip manufacturing to succeed but I have to say that these stimulus packages are mistakes - in any country.

    A lot of that money will be wasted as is usual with governments. Leave that money to circulate in the private sector among the productive instead.

    It is true that expensive countries like the US are much less likely to keep any industry created with stimulus. But it's still a bad idea economically. Leave the government out of economic activity as much as possible. It warps people's incentives.

      Anonymous, 27 May 2024"but rather in terms of what would happen to advanced ... moreYou forgot about Intel Foundries. Nvidia actually seems to be potentially keen on using some of Intel's upcoming nodes, and AMD seems to be interested in Samsung Foundries, which is at least somewhat promising. We don't know whether either will be competitive again, and it's impossible to predict for sure, but both Samsung and Intel seem to be becoming more competitive. Plus, Intel has lots of fabs around the world, so their production capacity is huge.

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        Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Strawman argument. America and China have spent similar amo... more"but rather in terms of what would happen to advanced chip production if China were to invade Taiwan tomorrow."

        If we're talking about advance CPU manufacturing, there's only TSMC, Samsung & SMIC can make it. Moving from 1 factory to other require time for adjustment, and also there's a capacity issue.

        In short, if TSMC were closed down due to sabotage by usa, then Apple, Qualcom, nVidia & AMD will collapse. Therefore, I doubt USA will do remote shutdown / sabotage.

        China will also not steal TSMC, China will let TSMC do what they do now, business as usual, because this is not a fight of China vs TSMC, but a fight on China vs. renegade province.

          Anonymous, 27 May 2024The problem is Americans thing they are the whole word and ... moreI'm not American, so if that's all you took from everything I wrote, then you truly have terrible judgement.

            Anonymous, 27 May 2024The problem is Americans thing they are the whole word and ... moreNot anymore.

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              Anonymous, 27 May 2024there is a difference: one government is oppressive and cru... moreFrom when democratic means that you are not oppressive and cruel? Can this be said about USA? Clearly not.

                Anonymous, 27 May 2024there is a difference: one government is oppressive and cru... moreThe question is not who is democratic and who's not.

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                  PureOS, 27 May 2024Who cares how america puts Taiwan on the map. America is no... moreThe problem is Americans thing they are the whole word and what they think is what the rest of the world thinks.

                    Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024And they are deciding their own destiny, but you'll ne... moreU are totally misinformed. China consider that Taiwan as part of their territory, and Taiwan also consider that mainland china is part of their territory. Basically, One China. After ww2, government from mainland china was expelled, and they settled on Taiwan, where they keept control. On mainland China come communist party which expelled them. Taiwan doesn't want to be independent, they want full control. Same as for mainland china. Its political question, not territorial. And USA should stay away and not interfere in politics of other countries. Now is end of discussion.

                      TechJocky, 27 May 2024They are the same people with the same bloodline. Moldova is majority ethnic Romanian, and is right next to Romania. Does that make them a part of Romania?

                      Transylvania, in Romania, is mostly ethnically Hungarian, and is right next to Hungary. Does that make Transylvania a part of Hungary?

                      Cyprus is majority ethnic Greek, and is right next to Greece. Does that make them a part of Greece?

                      Kosovo is majority ethnic Albanian, and is right next to Albania. Does that make them a part of Albania?

                      Kazakhstan has a large Russian population alongside the majority Kazakh population, and is right next to Russia. Does that make them a part of Russia?

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                        [deleted post]Taiwan is just the name of the island, but the official name is Republic of China (ROC).
                        So It's really a Chinese territory with Chinese living there, the only difference is the type of government.

                        You can argue, that you meant the communist PRC, but they never acknowledged ROC as a different state, the same is true for the rest of the world, so It would be closer to civil war than invasion.

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                          TechJocky, 27 May 2024They are the same people with the same bloodline. there is a difference: one government is oppressive and cruel, the other democratic

                            [deleted post]They are the same people with the same bloodline.

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                              Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Internally, the US absolutely doesn't consider Taiwan ... morethe only reason usa supports taiwan's sovereignty is because they have TSMC and are afraid of china becoming too powerful if they manage to bring taiwan under their rule

                                PureOS, 27 May 2024American approach to soft? By which logic they can decide w... moreAnd they are deciding their own destiny, but you'll never accept that. The US has no territorial claims to Taiwan, unlike China, and Taiwan has decided for a long while now that they are an independent nation. Their sovereignty isn't a US vs. China thing, they're their own country. End of discussion.

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                                  Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Strawman argument. America and China have spent similar amo... moreUS banned China access to latest semiconductor technologies so it contradicts heavily what you wrote.
                                  USA doesn't want to loose their top dog position in the world to China, that's all.

                                    PureOS, 27 May 2024Who cares how america puts Taiwan on the map. America is no... moreAnd neither is China. There's plenty of other countries with great potentials in swinging global influence. Honestly, America's influence is slowly declining, and will never recover, but China's not going to be replacing them either. Neither America nor China will be global superpowers in 20 years' time, it will be a totally different country, perhaps a country like Argentina. It's too early to tell who will be the replacement here.

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                                      Anonymous, 27 May 2024America is afraid of competition. How can they claim the... moretrue

                                        Darth Caesium, 27 May 2024Internally, the US absolutely doesn't consider Taiwan ... moreAmerican approach to soft? By which logic they can decide what is right and what not? Are they world police or what? On Taiwan live ethnic han Chinese, the same as on mainland China. They will decide their own destiny, not USA

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