Nokia X30

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xjH
13 Mar 2023

This phone is way to expensive for what it has to offer. 49k INR for this crap?? Oohh god. Even iPhone 12 costs the same with all flagship specs and Nokia is trying to sell this budget phone at such a high cost? Doesn't make any sense to buy this phone.

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Carol
3td
13 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 13 Mar 2023Some months down the road using X30 it's been fantasti... moreWe all hope that, they are a bit late at the party with this device.

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Anonymous
ptT
13 Mar 2023

Some months down the road using X30 it's been fantastic this is simply a perfect phone I love it get around 9h screen on times pretty good I can recommend this phone to anybody no problem and I hope to see android 13 soon

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Carol
n@x
13 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 12 Mar 2023Well. I have nothing to say. Read it for yourself. https... moreSo, what, am i now supposed to read and trust two articles with already missinformin titles and take them as truth? I am not saing that there is no truth betwenn the lines, but also a lot of lack of accuracy, like they make confusion about what was actually bought, and what does hmd owe....

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/18/nokia-returns-phone-market-microsoft-sells-brand-hmd-foxconn

There you go, something worth reading from trusted sources. And even they are expresing the whole sale a bit falsely, because nokia brand was never sold in a matter that was owned by ms, ms was also only licensing the name for 10 years, as far as i remember. At the end, you can believe whatever you want, i'm out, have a great one👍

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Imbukwa
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12 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 10 Mar 2023Ya'll arguing for no reason End of the day, I'll... moreI agree. I am old school but HMD devices are a disappointment.

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Anonymous
utI
12 Mar 2023

Carol, 12 Mar 2023No matter how you want that sentence to be reed, it is stil... moreWell. I have nothing to say. Read it for yourself.

https://ww.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/microsoft-sells-nokia-branding-rights-to-hmd-global-foxconn/article8616797.ece

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10879/hmd-closes-nokia-brand-and-patents-deal-with-microsoft-nokia-smartphones-on-the-way

Thanks for everything. Bye.

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Carol
n@x
12 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 12 Mar 2023My sentence reads as, "If HMD wasn't capable t... moreNo matter how you want that sentence to be reed, it is still false. hmd bought nothing from microsoft. The only company that bought something from ms was Foxconn, they bought the Nokia factories in china, i already said this like twice.... HMD LICENSED the right to use NOKIA NAME AND PATENTS FOR 10 YEARS, directly from NOKIA, microsoft has no involvement into it whatsoever... Foxconn also has nothing to do with what hmd and nokia signed.

You never wanted to start a discution that is out of scope of this comment section, i understand that, but when you state false claims and wrong information, i just can't help myself but to correct the wrong believes. If i would told you that this device is made by xiaomi that bought the nokia from foxconn, you would probably do the same, well at least i hope so.

Sorry, but i am responsible for what i say, not for what you understand. And i never said that NOKIA is a fake brand, or whatever wierd things you say there. Better read my comments again and again, but with a empty of conspiracy mind, or whatever you have there. The new android phones called NOKIA belong to hmd, of course, and they are Nokia phones made in conformance and guidelines and patents that belong to nokia, the "mother" company. If that upsets you and makes you think that nokia is fake, well, you are the problem, not hmd.
hmd is formed tough of mostly NOKIA ex employees, before the microsoft fiasco, so yeah hmd is not just a brand comming from nowhere but it has experience into mobile field, because it's employees have experience in this field. But that does not mean that they bought and owe nokia, cause that is not the case.

I have a hunch that you are a bit to young to understand what patents are and what a brand name means. Maybe that is where you confuse business with "fake something". Nokia mobile Patents are everything NOKIA innovated in the mobile industry, hack the whole industry was made by them. And believe me, there are thousands of patents. hmd has bought the right to use this patents for their devices and the right to use the name on their phones. In essence, for you to understand, this means: ex nokia employees have build another company called hmd that bought the RIGHT to build NOKIA phones for 10 years, straight from NOKIA NOT microsoft. Maybe this bothers you, you do not like the idea, but it is called business. And to put some fire on the wound: almost all, if not all mobile manufacturers, even chinese brands have licensed nokia patents to build their phones, of course not all patents, like hmd, but some very important ones. Like antenna design, camera algorithms, charnging safety and so on. Yes this includes apple and samsung too. Not a long time ago nokia sued apple and some chinese brands for patents infringement.

Yes, in theory it is possible, that nokia as owner of patents and name, has a sudden change of heart and wants, let's say, lenovo to build their devices in the future, well of course if lenovo wants it too, then hmd is out of the picture when the 10 years agreement expires. But of course that this is a far fetched posibility, and highly unlickely to happen as is very hard to think that nokia will betray hmd especially when they owe shares in hmd and sell hmd nokia devices on their official site.
More likely would be the posibility of nokia acquiring hmd and starting building "in House" devices, especially that hmd wants to transfer a part of mobile manufacturing in europe. But this is just a theory of mine, might never happen.

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Carol
n@x
12 Mar 2023

Carol, 11 Mar 2023And again, you try to escape. Does not matter, let's s... moreThere i go, now talking b...it too. Let's correct huge error in what i said. Again, no company will ever pay bills, wages, operational costs, materials and whatever other things from profit, profit is what is left from revenue after paying all of these. If they can't pay everything from revenue and it needs to go to the bank, it is called Loses. The often they come the closer is the compamy to bankruptcy. If the company operetes with profit, it means that it already paid everything and was still left with money.

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Anonymous
uwX
12 Mar 2023

Carol, 11 Mar 2023And again, you try to escape. Does not matter, let's s... moreMy sentence reads as,

"If HMD wasn't capable they couldn't have bought NOKIA from MICROSOFT".

This same sentence can be written as

"If HMD wasn't capable they couldn't have bought NOKIA brand license for mobile manufacturing and distribution from MICROSOFT".

In the first sentence the missing words "brand license for mobile manufacturing and distribution" are implicit like your implicit attitudes.

Why don't you check with someone you believe like your parents, teacher, professor or someone else (if your attitude permits).

Of course, the NOKIA brand license for mobiles was a second hand purchase of HMD bought from MICROSOFT and which is owned by NOKIA Corp.

To be honest, I really don't know how these transactions were made and its procedures.

Above all, as I have already told, l never wanted to discuss things which are beyond the scope of Nokia BRANDED mobiles. You wanted everything. If you think that I am wrong, so be it. If you feel that I try to escape, so be it.

Through your debate you emphasize that NOKIA is a fake brand which is used by HMD on purpose to seduce consumers. Also, you emphasize more that NOKIA is a name which is not built by HMD but, used by HMD by paying for it. Hence, you conclude that, we all fall prey to the brand name NOKIA which doesn't even belong to HMD (a small company as you say all the time).

Tomorrow NOKIA branded mobiles might become an illusion if NOKIA Corp., refuses to renew their license. I think you want everyone to say "NOKIA branded mobiles" instead of "NOKIA mobiles" since, there is no relation with NOKIA Corp., and HMD.

I am afraid that you might start another argument for using the word "built" saying that NOKIA is not a building or structure to be built.

Whenever I try to end our discussion, you drag me here again and again. But, as you've said discussions and debates are always healthy. It makes everyone to explore facts and figures.

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Carol
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12 Mar 2023

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Anonymous
apK
12 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 10 Mar 2023Ya'll arguing for no reason End of the day, I'll... moreI agree

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Carol
nWL
11 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 11 Mar 2023Just replace my sentence " For your information, n... moreAnd again, you try to escape. Does not matter, let's skip it... If a company needs profits to stay alive, it needs a change of who is in charge, or what it does for a living.

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Anonymous
uwC
11 Mar 2023

Carol, 11 Mar 2023Of course everybody should learn like there is no ending an... moreJust replace my sentence

" For your information, not only HMD but, every organisation in this world pay their bills using profits they make."

with

" For your information, not only HMD but, every organisation in this world can't pay their bills without making profits."

Both sentences mean the same.

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Anonymous
uws
11 Mar 2023

Anton-, 11 Mar 2023Do you think someone is going to read that much text???Valid point. Accepted.

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11 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 10 Mar 2023Everybody is a learner till their death. I don't feel ... moreDo you think someone is going to read that much text???

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Carol
mek
11 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 10 Mar 2023Ya'll arguing for no reason End of the day, I'll... moreThat is not the problem, the problem is your comment here that has no reason. People here might learn something, so discussions are always a good thing. Gaming on phones paied by your erderly? Let's see how would you like your phone to be when you actually pay for it, and feel on your own wage what it means to buy garbage versus sustainable.

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Carol
mek
11 Mar 2023

Anonymous, 10 Mar 2023Everybody is a learner till their death. I don't feel ... moreOf course everybody should learn like there is no ending and live like there is no tomorrow, no matter the source as long as the source is good. I do not live by assuming, i live by knowing, and if i do not know, i try to learn.

Nope you clearly said hmd bought NOKIA, while not only that they never bought nothing from nokia, they also do not owe the name. To pay a license and to buy a company are two very different stories. So don't blame me of whatever when you clearly try to escape ignorance by accusing me of me of "escaping" answers, while you still did not understand what hmd actually ownes and what it does not. So yeah you're right here, you should not be talking business if you do not understand them, therefore this subject could be avoided. Even tough, you started it, you somehow, even here, make it sound like i started it, nice try.

This one is good, you confuse "revenue" with "profits" and are not sure what both actually are. No company in this world pays it's bills with profit.
Let me put it in short for you to understand.
Revenue is the total income of a company, everything that a company receives out of sales or services offered. From the "revenue" there is everything that has to be paid, operational costs, wages, everything that keeps a company surviving. When a company can do that with it's revenue, is great, if it cannot, well, it means that it spends more money then it can afford, which brings it to laying off personal (the cowerdly but easiest path to calibrate costs and revenue), and if keeps on going downhill, it means bankruptcy. So revenue is way more important then profit. Profit is what is left after paying EVERYTHING they needed to pay. That is why it is called PROFIT, those are money to burn for r&d or wage increse or other goodies (if profit is stable enough). As i already said, hmd turned to profit just about 1 or 2 years ago, if that remained stable, i do not know. But yes it is a big step for a starter company, and am happy for them, that they could achieve it, especially after corona killing their very slow asscension straight in the beginning of their jurney.

As i have already said, i could not care less about chinese companies. If the one that complaines and trolls nokia comments sections stops comparing a brand, with a chinese brand, then the chinese are out of discussion for me anyway. If you actually read my comments you'll find out that i compare nokia with sony, google and sometimes Samsung. Nothing is ok, but is nothing for the moment, quite bad battery life in comparison to x30, camera is meah to say the most and leds do not make me buy a phone.

Every custom UI incorporates bloatware? Maybe, but should it? Nope! Samsung is one of the worst when we talk bloatware, hack even their bixbi is nothhing but forced bloatware. I blame because is something to blame them about, at the prices this companies sell, they should at least have common sense and stop eating customer's privacy for their own revenue. Chinese being even worse.

X10 and X20 get a price cut pretty often, hack they bother were like 179€ for about a week in europe. Well, if they are not there where you live, bad for hmd.

As i've said, i do not care about chinese brands, and i do not find them really good. Paper specs and actuall user experience are again two different things. If you call a device good just because it is cheap and comes with buffy cpu, well...ignorance is bliss. There are a tone of people that pay for this kind of devices that turn to garbage in about a year, if you call that good, you have a problem. And here we go again at hmd enslaves it's customers, meah, just when you said you'd learn from people... G400 was build in colaboration with that particular Carrier and for that particular carrier. I have already listed 3 of it's equivalent devices, i think that there is no need to talk about them again. Sorry that, as you claim, none seems to be available in your country, hmd should care more about this and be carefull how they price it compared with the contry stability level, i give you that one.

Did you just compared inflation and existential products with smartphone industry and smartphones? Doing this is like comparing apocalypse with the will to buy a car that you can't afford. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? You do not need a smartphone to stay alive, and not all smartphones are expensive, as you said, there are chinese brands that are "really good" that you can buy, there are sony, motorola and google pixel with clean android, that you can buy, there is fairphone that you can buy, how is hmd using this to force people to pay more?

Anyway from the rest i can spare my self a few minutes of writing, i wish you well, and hope for you to find the device you'll need. I can understand your frustration but you can always wait for price drops if you want a device, and their is always a price drop for a device or another, be it google, nothing, sony , Motorola or nokia, very rarely,for the fairphone.

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Anonymous
uwq
11 Mar 2023

Carol, 09 Mar 2023Again wow...my.. GSMarena specs sheet, is more often then n... moreWell Carol. I never wanted to say this but, still, I do it.

You actually know what I meant by, "If HMD wasn't capable they couldn't have bought NOKIA from MICROSOFT". But, for the sake of our argument and to stand out, you played smart by going beyond the scope of our discussion to teach me the differences between the organizations HMD and NOKIA. To be precise, you even taught me that NOKIA is just a brand. This proves your attitude. But, no problem since my ego levels are low.

For your information, I speak not for my personal benefits but, for the welfare of our world. Though I eagerly awaited a good budget mobile from HMD, I never have cravings for it. A mobile is just a tool to make jobs simpler. To be precise, it is not even worthier to speak about mobiles or any such fancy gadgets for such a long time. But, everyone gets carried away to speak about such things because of lust.

Good luck. Take care. Bye...

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Anonymous
uwX
10 Mar 2023

Carol, 09 Mar 2023Again wow...my.. GSMarena specs sheet, is more often then n... moreEverybody is a learner till their death. I don't feel shy to learn from you or from a kid. If I say that I know everything, it means that I am the greatest idiot. We all know nothing even .000000000001 percent of things in our Universe. We all live by assumptions.

Coming to Nokia, what you said is right. I actually meant NOKIA MOBILES just by saying NOKIA. HMD just bought or licensed (to be precise) the BRAND NAME NOKIA for their mobile division from MICROSOFT who held the licence at that time. Now, HMD has to renew the license only with Nokia and not with Microsoft. But, this brand licensing has its own cost. How the transaction was made, whether on installments or through other agreements is classified. I think these details aren't necessary for our discussion about Nokia X30 and to be precise, our discussion is not about the history of Nokia or HMD or about making business deals with HMD or NOKIA to dig about who owns what. I just meant the financial capability of HMD in my last message. When an ordinary man utters the word "Nokia", it automatically refers to Nokia mobile devices of HMD and not Nokia Inc. Every time you escape the scene by discussing things beyond scope.

For your information, not only HMD but, every organisation in this world pay their bills using profits they make. Hope you wouldn't start a debate about charitable institutions/organizations and nonprofit making organizations. You support and speak for HMD with care, as if you are one of the largest share holders of HMD. HMD has invested a lot on this brand name "NOKIA" to manufacture mobiles. Also their current revenues and profits aren't low. To be precise, they don't struggle to run the show. Hence, they are capable enough to price their mobiles competitively. HMD can still pay their bills if this mobile X30 is priced lower. Their profits might even increase due to increase in sales, if this mobile is priced lower. For any organisation, their growth is calculated not based on profits but on revenues.

Coming to Chinese mobiles, it is not about whether Chinese mobiles are Good or Bad. It is all about comparisons you make. Your comparison accounts only to making compromises. When you speak about Nokia, just speak only about Nokia. You may compare it with other brands by not criticising other brands. If you need to criticise them, go to the relevant opinion page to do it. Hope you know that Nokia mobiles are made in China too.

Every Custom UI incorporates some bloatware. Even Samsung mobiles do contain bloatwares. Though we blame and complain a lot about these manufacturers (including Chinese) are we really great enough to do so? The honest answer is NO. But, we speak just because we are consumers and these manufacturers make profits through our money. All these manufacturers patiently hears everything we say just because they know that they survive because of us (consumers). But, though I complain a lot about this device, I really love Stock Android. I don't mind whether it is from Nokia, Google Pixel or Nothing Phone. Instead of being a fan of one particular brand I always accept the good whoever does it. If you wish to compare Nokia with some other brand compare it with Pixel and Nothing Phone which too incorporates Stock Android. Don't compare it Chinese mobiles.

It is not about whether X10, X20, etc., would receive Android 14 but, it is about its pricing and availability in all the countries.

Why we all speak about Chinese mobiles? Because, they are really good. But, full of bloatwares, the only reason, why we complain. HMD takes advantage of this, to price their good mobiles exorbitantly. Why shouldn't HMD release good mobiles like G400 as a budget or midrange device? Why should they charge consumers with basic Unisoc processors? Android Updates can be healthy only if the processors are good and capable. These Unisoc processors are efficient only for Android Go edition. Nokia G400 has a Full HD display and a good Qualcomm SOC. But, Nokia G22 is compromised with Unisoc processor and with just a HD display. We all know the additional cost that would be needed for a midrange Qualcomm SOC instead of UniSoc and a Full HD display instead of HD display. If we just add this additional cost to G22, the mobile will not go costlier though there will be a little price increase. My question is why shouldn't HMD make something good to our world? Making our world a wonderful place can be done only by doing the best God gave us the best of everything. But, we just destroyed it.

Whatever be the case, releasing Nokia G22 with Android 12 with other budget variants C22 and C32 with Android 13 is unethical. Its easy reparability feature is just another USP of HMD. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't die hard. Whoever it may be, every mobile manufacturer is a multimillionaire. Every rich person and rich corporates can really do wonderful things to make our world a wonderful place. But, no one cares.

As you've said it is true that no organisation forces anyone to buy their products. To understand, let's consider the food you eat. It may be rice, wheat, bread or something else. If its price is hiked abnormally, we all blame the Government because we expect them to do good to us. Also, you can't refuse to buy it because you badly need it. But, if it is priced exorbitantly what will you do? In the same way everyone complains about everything when their expectation goes unfulfilled.

I sincerely admit that I eagerly expected a good decent budget mobile from Nokia like G400. I never said that I hate Nokia. You can't find me writing elsewhere at GSMarena. I only write a lot here at Nokia's opinion page (actually belongs to GSMarena) just because I expected a lot from them. If a Chinese mobile is priced exorbitantly, I don't care because I don't need it anyway. But, I will definitely consider them if they remove bloatwares.

Nothing Phone 1 is really very good and priced reasonably. But, it lacks a 3.5mm audio jack. The same is the case with Pixel 6a. I badly need a 3.5mm audio jack because, music sounds good on good quality wired headphones. I have some good numbers of good quality wired headphones. Also, I don't believe in Bluetooth headphones for music though it might help reasonably well while making calls. Even this mobile X30 lacks it. But, I never spoke about it because, its pricing is not ethical anyway, even if it had it. If the Pixel 6a or Nothing Phone 1 had the 3.5mm audio jack, I will not be here to talk about this device. To be honest Pixel 6a's and Nothing Phone 1's hardwares are really good for their prices.

Nokia G60 employs just a budget hardware for its price. I would've accepted it if it is priced similar to G400. It is not about consumer's financial capacity in buying a device but, it is all about the value manufacturers associate to consumer's money. Please accept facts, gracefully.

To make my argument more meaningful, just assume how good will it be to have the Nokia Tablet T21 with Snapdragon 480+ or with some other good Qualcomm SOC. Instead of calculating revenues and profits that can be made from a particular device, manufacturers should only think about making a good device that serves the interests of our society. This is what is emphasised in Total Quality Management. Profits will automatically follow when your deeds are right.

If I am wrong or if I am lost, it cares nothing to our world. But, it is not the case with entrepreneurs who provides goods and services to our world. The world believes in them and expects a lot from them.

To conclude, I would appreciate any brand that releases mobiles with Stock Android with zero bloatwares and with decent hardware, even if it is a Chinese brand.

As you have said it is always TRUE that HMD never forces anyone to buy their devices. But, don't they expect consumers to buy their devices. In the same way every consumer expects the organizations around them to do something good for them. Business is not about making money. It is about sharing it properly. Life is all about give and take.

There is nothing wrong to settle with some other competing device because, Android is not secured anyway. Apps that steal data will steal it anyway even if it is installed on a Stock Android based system.

I think it is not worthier to talk about this device or HMD anymore. Thank you.

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Anonymous
8uN
10 Mar 2023

Ya'll arguing for no reason
End of the day, I'll spit facts:
HMD devices are rubbish, unless you're over 30+ & don't game. Then they're ok choice.

For us youngsters that game & socialize online, we need specs n good price. Samsung, Rog, vivo, IQ, red magic, black shark, poco, xiaomi, oneplus, oppo, realme blah blah blah give us this perfectly

Y'all old folks stay arguing over hmd 🤣🤣🤣
HM for the Elderly D. We don't care!

Btw, x30 is a thumbs down cuz 695g is laughable for $500. Must be mad to pay this much for 695 🤣🤣

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