Nokia X30
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- Aadrian
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- 05 Feb 2023
swaraj, 04 Feb 2023I haven't used this phone . But I guess making recycle... moreThe fact that now Samsung as the largest android based manufacturer adopts more recycled materials in its flagship series, means it's something that it does live in the community, and something that manufactures want to show to their customers and future customers. Fairphone is all about environmentally friendly manufacturing and source winning, and that's their main USP, Nokia adopted recycled materials in various ways and now Samsung is next. I hope more manufactures will follow. I'm hard headed that Chinese OEMs will follow but one can hope.
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- 05 Feb 2023
swaraj, 02 Feb 2023well actually you were partial to moto . and said whatever ... moreCorrection , nokia x30 has isocell GN5 same sensor used in galaxy s22 . (Not jn1)
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- 04 Feb 2023
swaraj, 04 Feb 2023I haven't used this phone . But I guess making recycle... moreOf corse it won't, but is a step in the right direction. Will doing nothing be better?
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- 04 Feb 2023
I know features of this phone are contested, but let's appreciate the fact that (processor-wise) this is the closest phone in terms of performance to the only flagship they had in the last 4 years, the Nokia 9
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- 04 Feb 2023
Carol, 03 Feb 2023Well, when you read articles you also need to understand th... moreI haven't used this phone . But I guess making recycled phone wont change the earth for good overnight . Rather it's a message to other household product ,food companies that "even the most luxurious , high tech gadgets can be made from recycled material " 🙂 so they can be motivated to adopt more eco friendly practices (even it costs more)
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- 03 Feb 2023
swaraj, 03 Feb 2023"Metals, especially aluminum, tend to degrade after ea... moreThere is no virgin plastic and you talk about a smartphone while there are tones of plastc put into smartphone industry. Anyway, it is quite clear that you do not understand recycling, how it works and how much it means for enviroment while loosing absolutly nothing in propertis, especially when we talk, smartphones. It is not like they melt the same peace of plastic 100 times before they make the phones, so that the quality degrades to a point of no quality.
Also plastic is made out of petrol combined with a lot o other very unfriendly chimicals, so yeah, is better when they use it more then once and for different things, depending on need and quality, instead of creating new and new again. Sorry but you really have no idea what you're talking about, and you need to learn and understand recycling.
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- Carol
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- 03 Feb 2023
swaraj, 03 Feb 2023"Metals, especially aluminum, tend to degrade after ea... moreWell, when you read articles you also need to understand them. That means nothing, also does not mean that nokias are made with the last quality aluminium that can't be recycled anymore. You missed the whole point in the article and you also missed when they said that there is a 95% less energy consumption vs. Creating new alloys. Anyway, have even touched the devices? Or you just blame like Tom?
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- 03 Feb 2023
Carol, 03 Feb 20231 and 2.
I do not quite understand your problem with recy... more"Metals, especially aluminum, tend to degrade after each reuse cycle..."
Copied from this website : https://sciencing.com/advantages-disadvantages-of-recycling-metal-13636634.html
Plastic becomes very weak after recycling . 50 gm of Virgin plastic for a smartphone won't ruin the planet ... selling billions of cheetos is plastic bag for cheap price will .
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- 03 Feb 2023
swaraj, 03 Feb 2023I'm not saying its irrelevant.
Practical sustain... more1 and 2.
I do not quite understand your problem with recycled aluminium, do you understand what that is? Quality wise you do not compromise nothing while recycling aluminium.
Is actually wired to think that reshaping a metal into another form will compromise it's properties. That will mean, that jewellers give the people only subpaar quality because they mostly reshape old jewellery or coins. They should only use pure gold\silver and remake the whole nine yeards of mealting and combining pure gold\silver and whatever others with zinc or Copper or Palladium or whatever other metals to make them hard and sturdy enough for wearing... Please don't tell me that you think gold rings are pure gold?...
That whole proccess is a lot more wasting then melting and reshaping what has already been put together.
How could a tech company order a car company to use recycled materials? What a childish clame. Anyway, as far as i know, there are car companies that use recycled materials for some parts. Where are tones of aluminium used on cars? Besides wheals, that are not really aluminium because they mixed with a lot of other metals to be able to stay in shape. And what this has to do with one another? Phones are sold with millions, every few months, nothing gets even close to that. This is not about reducing industry to one bit, it is about reducing phone manufacturing trash to eco friendliness. Tones of tech waste less is better then doing absolutly nothing about it.
By your claim, everything is b.t so nobody should do nothing about it, we should all be ignorant and embrance donald's stupidty.
3. there you are right, and is actually a good solution. As far as i know, they are sold with chargers in less privileged Countries at the same price, or even cheaper then in europe, so they actually tought about it, but well, your solution would be a better one. Even tough i could imagine that some rich people might still not give a darn about the extra price and still buy devices with chargers even tough they do not need one. I my self have an 18w charger from nokia 9, am actually glad that they did not deliverd a charger, i have enough of those.
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- 03 Feb 2023
Carol, 02 Feb 2023Good points, but Enviroment is actually vital and is really... moreI'm not saying its irrelevant.
Practical sustainable practice when making smartphone. :
good battery , more charging cycle
-gg victus so screen (the most fragile part of smartphone) last longer .
- good mobo
-longer updates
Impractical misleading eco friendly feature of this phone :
- recycled aluminum. It's utter nonsense to compromise on quality of skeleton (the frame)of a 200 g smartphone that costs 500 dollars . Like how much can 50 gm of high quality aluminum can impact nature adversely?? Its just a market trick .
If the corporate are really concerned about environment. They should tell car companies ,train cars manufacturer,shipyard to use recycled material . Cz they use so much aluminum o(r any other material )
- no official charger being sold for the phone . It's true people have a lot of charger lying around at home . BUT NOT ALL PEOPLE DO . Besides 3rd party charger have quality compromises and may harm the phone . So they should make 2 types of box . 1 . That has charger and cost more 2 . That doesn't have charger and cost less
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 03 Feb 2023Look. If you're clever, you should realize that I was ... moreNice save 👌 lol
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023Fair points you've raised in your previous responses, ... moreOf course the best for enviroment would be to sell only hardware and let the user decide for everything. But the whole tech world worked against that, little by litte until we ended up in this mess where laptops have solderd RAM and storage. Battery removal is vital for another one to two years or so, but it is the second most important, without updates, charging a device is not enough, and how many people use a device for 10 years or more? But yeah, i am ok with the idea of changing the battery, but there is more enviromental friendlyness into making the battery sustainable, to last for about 5 to 6 years, after that, there is all down-hill anyway. Depending on each person views about what sustainable means and minding the fact that batteris are very unfriendly to the enviroment, you can decide what is better, to make more batteries or better batteries?
Yeah apple is the culpit of all this b..t that happens this days, it is really sad, but hey they are forced now to sell spare parts, which is something, but well... not enough, as they produce even more soon to be garbage.
I like the idea of Circular, while is quite nice to have it in private segment, i think that it will benefit a more in an Enterprise enviroment. So yeah, others should do it too, it is a far fatched idea tough. Some brands might see the potential but i do not know, cause licensed for Enterprise device will cost more and would have to be very clean. The trend is tough th eother way arround, the cheaper the better, and not to many manufactures care about security or privacy or enviroment.
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023Fair points you've raised in your previous responses, ... moreOf course the best for enviroment would be to sell only hardware and let the user decide for everything. But the whole tech world worked against that, little by litte until we ended up in this mess where laptops have solderd RAM and storage. Battery removal is vital for another one to two years or so, but it is the second most important, without updates, charging a device is not enough, and how many people use a device for 10 years or more? But yeah, i am ok with the idea of changing the battery, but there is more enviromental friendlyness into making the battery sustainable, to last for about 5 to 6 years, after that, there is all down-hill anyway. Depending on each person views about what sustainable means and minding the fact that batteris are very unfriendly to the enviroment, you can decide what is better, to make more batteries or better batteries?
Yeah apple is the culpit of all this b..t that happens this days, it is really sad, but hey they are forced now to sell spare parts, which is something, but well... not enough, as they produce even more soon to be garbage.
I like the idea of Circular, while is quite nice to have it in private segment, but i think that it will benefit a lot in an Enterprise enviroment, so yeah, it might come to some other brands tha see the potential but i do not know, cause licensed for Enterprise device, would have to be very clean, and aparently not to many manufactures care about security or privacy or enviroment.
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023Breaking news buddy: No you can't. Moto is only on... moreWell, you can. And i always disabled Google (yeah the app) and digital wellbeing is even easier. You can disable chrome, calculator even camera, call app, contacts, messages, pretty much everything besides launcher. I've done that a lot of times before finding adb wild possibilities. So now i prefere to use adb though, and uninstall them. On other devices i konfigured for my family or friends and so, i could also disable pretty much anything i wanted. Samsung was the most annying i've configured because of the tone of bloatware and s..y bixby, that will break a lot of functions if disabled, if not actually breeks the device.
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- 03 Feb 2023
dutchdude34, 03 Feb 2023I quote you here at the g73 section
It'll also be c... moreLook. If you're clever, you should realize that I was bantering to get a reaction from HMD fanboys - due to their immediate defensive nature over the X30 - and it worked! 😅
Yes - I can be an immature fool at times - but it's only for banter.
Nevertheless, I stand by some of the more serious points I've raised in terms of specs to price/performance ratio - and in this case, personally I believe the G73 is better value for money - keep in mind, this is a direct response to someone elses question who asked "X30 or G73".
I've aired my serious grievances over the X30 in the past - and yes I was disappointed upon its release as I was expecting a lot more. These expectations weren't met, and I was sour and bitter.
But with Carol's help, his input and his opinions - I now understand why some people may prefer the X30 over other devices from other manufacturers.
So I apologize if I've offended you or anyone else in the HMD camp. It's really not meant to be taken seriously. These are just phones we're taking about at the end of the day 😁😁🥰
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023How can you judge the build quality of the G73, when it has... moreYou say how can i just the Build quality,u can see it on the pictures right and see what material is used.
But if u think i can only judge when its out,how u can claim then that the g73 is a good device..
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- 03 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023Where have I recently used the word "Trash" to de... moreI quote you here at the g73 section
It'll also be cheaper upon release compared to the overpriced underspecced and trashy X30 - which is a total pathetic joke of a device
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- 02 Feb 2023
Carol, 02 Feb 2023Good points, but Enviroment is actually vital and is really... moreFair points you've raised in your previous responses, and this response.
In terms of environmental practices - what's your opinion on non removable batteries compared to removable? Which one would you say is more environmentally sustainable and suitable?
I've always felt non removable batteries are a way to force consumers to upgrade (sooner).. The trend starting with Apple and being followed by every other manufacturer. What are your thoughts?
& do you think the circular subscription option introduced by HMD should also be used by other manufacturers?
I like the idea in theory, but not sure if it fully works in practice.
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- 02 Feb 2023
swaraj, 02 Feb 2023well actually you were partial to moto . and said whatever ... moreGood points, but Enviroment is actually vital and is really disturbing to still read people that do not understand what's going on and how bad it actually is... not only disturbing but also damaging and sellfish and sad...
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- 02 Feb 2023
Tom209, 02 Feb 2023Who mentioned chrome??? I haven't mentioned chrome o... moreyou can actually uninstall everything usind adb. While you can actually break you phone because using adb you can uninstall also very vital services for android to work, so it is also a be carefull WARNING sign.