Nokia X30
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- Sin
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- 14 Nov 2022
Little mistake I mentioned OnePlus 6 & 6t but they probably be a step up from the g60 or xr20
The Nokia x30 might be more even
The OnePlus 5 or 5t are more comparable more fair compassion
When I said the latest Nokia smartphones feel dated
OnePlus 5 & 5t come too mind from as far back as 2017 with 8gb ram & overclocked Snapdragon 835
Even they might have of upper hand in performance over the latest Nokia smartphones with only 6gb ram or 8gb ram max spec version on the Nokia phones
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- Johnny
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- 14 Nov 2022
be careful to read your own countries' Nokia website.....
[3-year warranty] did not apply to all country.
for example, Malaysia only got 1 year warranty,
so I might not consider to buy with a bit higher price without 3 year warranty benefits.
Vivo V25 will be my better consideration, cheaper & with 42000 times drop test :P
IP54 I think not bad
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- Sin
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- 14 Nov 2022
I don't buy into Nokia marketing of longevity of there smartphones
The Nokia xr20 x30 & g30
Nokia claims device like there's have long life
Firstly there batterys are not even user removable
Nokia is very naive and don't understand how system requirements for software works and how technology ages Snapdragon 400 & 600 series hardly future proof
Neither is 4gb 6gb or 8gb ram seriously this is supposed too age well
Minimum system requirements for Android 12
6gb ram amount 3 new Android versions coming
Smartphones that I know Feel in the hands like a rather
outdated old smartphone that is not modern at all
The very moderate hardware is the performance and smoothness of a smartphone straight out of 2017
Yeah OnePlus 6 or 6t would feel about as modern as Nokia latest smartphones
Am really disappointed in Nokia as a Nokia 9.3 been so much better or a flagship killer or gaming smartphone not making a 600 pound plus smartphone shouldn't mean no good hardware
even extended production of legacy's devices the Nokia 8 & 9 flagships as well as Nokia 3 & 3.1 & 5 & 5.1
still of been better than this
Also it becomes cheaper overtime too keep making the same smartphones overtime
So even if Nokia just even done this they of been better today
Am guessing Nokia not going too support legacy devices all that much or make more of them
At least the Nokia smartphones go on sale like 50% off or something sooner or later
that makes up for it I guess
Not a fan of Google pixel line of smartphones either as they sneakly downgrade Snapdragon 800 series too Google tensor and call it own built in house but it is just a renamed Samsung exynos processor
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- 14 Nov 2022
Sin, 13 Nov 2022We try too optimize the Nokia g10 There's barely an... moreAlready told that storry, for a few times, factory reset the devices and do the rest i tould you to, it will be better. As far as i know androud 12 made the g10 a tad bit fadter then before, so the behavoiur of yours, is not the norm.
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- 13 Nov 2022
i just want too be clear where i stand
I know i seem very negative on the Nokia brand
the Nokia of 2019 & Nokia of 2022 are very different
So too has the standards a smartphone has meet in 2019 are a lot higher then 2022
The Nokia 8 & 9 was easily some of the best flagships on the market and not as pricey on top htc & google Samsung was a lot better back then only the gaming smartphone where ahead by a big margin like Nubia best hardware and at lowest price on top
Android OS upgrades made big improvements too features
stock android on Nokia phones was clean of any bloatware at all
android was improving with each now version and not as big system resources hog
Nokia was good at that time for flagships they focus on was more improvement back then
in late 2022
android going downhill so fast with problems
android is now system resources hog of your worsted nightmares
android updates are horrible & google making android worse
app developers don't optimize anything anymore or care at all
The landscape has changed so much
Nokia did adopt and change too
Nokia doubled down on the budget market for Affordable Smartphones
hit really good price points & added removable battery's that is good
some ultra budget smartphones really well priced for there hardware spec
Nokia & Alcatel do the same role the market now
They are cheap & chearful phone makers
good for ultra budget smartphones
There a great choose on very tight budgets like 50 pound or less
but that's all there good for
Nokia does still have the rather old and dated flagships like Nokia 8 & 9 Pureview
but even they are budget/mid range smartphones by today's standards
they hold there value way too well also for late buyers for it too be worth buying also
People always upgrade for better performance at the lowest possible price point
as moose law is means hardware gets more powerful ever year
sadly hardware is not getting much cheaper and we are just been adding higher end tiers for pricing and hardware
Then there is software is getting heaver more ram hungry and system resources hog
ever mainstream brand is going downhill just getting worse for us the customers
Am so impressed by the old Nubia red magic phones
as it was so far ahead of there time having 8gb ram or 12gb ram snapdragon 800 series overclocked processors with cooling system and half the price of a flagship phones
then even the software features and software is so stable and feature rich without the fear of updates breaking stuff
x2 the hardware specs of a flagship at lower price then a flagship
the nubia gaming smartphones are miles ahead
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- 13 Nov 2022
Carol, 13 Nov 2022If you updated to android 12 but did not do a formatting, p... moreWe try too optimize the Nokia g10
There's barely any apps on it
It's so sluggish and freezing and Sutter
My mum having a lot frustration with it candy crush loading times 5 minutes that was tested and optimized for a Android version this new
Am sure this game was made with Android 6 or 7 or something the Nubia red magic gaming smartphone on Android 9 runs this game butter smooth
Lol I can't believe a gaming smartphone is needed for this
Nokia g10
No matter how many times we set screen time out too 5 minutes it sets it back to 15secs
The bugs just problems with Android 12 just so bad
We was at least able change back too bottom control that made the phone better too use
My mum is Inpatient and never close background multi tasks and just trying do everything quickly
And always has ever possible app open and many browser tap's and trys run answer calls
The Nokia g10 was supposed to be better than the old budget Samsung j3 from 2016 on Android 5
But damn better hardware runs more sluggish on Android 12 plus the OS growing pains in day to day usage
The Nokia g10 loses too a Samsung this old aww this a bad look for Nokia
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- 13 Nov 2022
Carol, 13 Nov 2022Sorry but 16GB internal storage phone is made for bare mini... moreThis happened because
I tried too originally buy the Nokia 3.1 3gb ram & 32gb storage for 135 pound
but Nokia lost the smartphone then was sold out of the smartphone then wanted tried too sell me the Nokia 3.1 2gb ram & 16gb storage just with 16gb sd card same price
I refused got refund I was upset by this
Tryed buy the generic soyes k-touch i9 mini smartphone
Just too have the 3gb ram & 32gb version sold out and
Tried sell me a different phone again I didn't want
Again had too get refund
Find third party good seller got Nokia 3.1 at just 50 pound
new old stock with worse version with only 16gb storage
The price point was good
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- 13 Nov 2022
Carol, 13 Nov 2022Funny way of thinking, so Razer thought the hardware was a ... morehardware, if that would be the case, android devices should need 16GB RAM and 12 CPU cores
Yes sadly so Android really is becoming a hug of system resources this bad it not there yet but it's on its way so we have too future proof the hardware
Much more a nemesis of budget smartphones and old flagships
This why the Nubia red magic phones are loved so much by us they are lighting fast the Lenovo legion line of smartphones & tablets good also
They just nailed what makes a good super flagship
Old Android version is not a big deal as far back as Android 6 is good
Most Android emulator run Android 7 and have full functionality & app compatibility so being up-to-date honestly is overrated
But lag or be sluggish is just horrible too use in day to day usage deal breaker on the spot
I know the smartphones like Nokia 8 & 9 are really good
The Nokia 9 pureview set the standard for multi cameras today
Am sure they easily run smoothly enough & have nice screens
In 2022 although I guess the strong competition from Nubia with lighting fast smartphones and good screens
does make Nokia very unsatisfied and unattractive
With mid range processor and butchered hole punch screens
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- Carol
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- 13 Nov 2022
Sin, 13 Nov 2022Yeah The Nokia 9 pureview should be I didn't say it&#... moreIf you updated to android 12 but did not do a formatting, please do format the device and let it sit after enetring your account and so on, for about an hour or so, do not install anything else. Do not recover from backups. it should be better after that. Do not allow apps that you install to run in the background, restrict them if they are not needed to constantly run. Android 12 has a powerfull, but be carefull, battery management system that kills a lot of background tasks, be carefull not to have that on. Called App Background manager, and is found in battery settings. Also in battery settings, in the battery saver menu, there are some custome actions that happen when device enters power saving mode when 20% battery left. Deactivate all of them because they do not run as they should. They will change screen brightness to manually, but sometimes fail to turn it back on to auto when Battery saving mode is deactivated. They also change screen on time to minimum of 15 seconds, and do not set it back to 1 minute or whatever was set before entering saving mode. Also deactivate allow bubbes in notification settings, it is known to cause problems, with keyboard especially. Deactivate notifications for apps that you do not need to receive notifications from. If you do not need it, deactivate google assistent, a hogger, after that install a light launcher because search won't work anymore at the desktop, and you won't be able to disable that ugly searchbar, the "perks" of hmd's android version. I'd recommand niagara launcher. What you can also do is to activate developer mode and very carefully not to activate something you should not activate, search for animations scale, there are 3. And set them all to .5x, your device will seem way faster then before. Window animation scale, transaction animation scale and animator duration scale. If you set it too low, will cause you're UI to be a bit unfriendly when we talk user experience. As i've said, android 12 has some annoying bugs that i can't pin point if it's hmd to blame or Google, but one can work around some of them, if that person knows what is doing. Of course not all problems are to be solved by workarounds, bug fixes from the manufacturer are also needed.
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- 13 Nov 2022
Sin, 12 Nov 2022Yeah the Nokia 3.1 I like it's sluggish but given it o... moreSorry but 16GB internal storage phone is made for bare minimum usage, no aditional apps, besides maybe some social crapp media, and that's about it. Even a flagship hardware would have hard times with that low storage, android and apps have no place to expend cache causing crashes and memory full warnings at daily basis. Maybe Nokias not that much, because of lighter OS implementations, but any other manufacturer, for sure.
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- 13 Nov 2022
Sin, 12 Nov 2022Yeah
Manufacturers not updating a too newer versions of An... moreFunny way of thinking, so Razer thought the hardware was a patato for android 10, but they did not think that when they made and sold the device not long before the 10 came out? And you find that genuine? You keep going same, same that android is heavier with every version and causes havoc left and right, even tough i tell you facts? That's also kind of strange. X30's CPU has lesser power then SD845 and runs android 12 with no problem with 6GB RAM, why would Nokia 9 not be able to run smooth, what is your theory? Because android 12 is heavier? But i just said that x30 is weaker and runs it quite smooth... I mean, would be nice to have a discution with someone that does not ignore the facts only to highlight his false interpretetion and lack of understanding of hardware and software and how they coexist with one another. Sorry if i come accros a bit harsh on you, but the "Minu" guy/girl also tried to higlight the facts, but you still keep on going with the same thing.
Why your device got more slagish then, i do not know how many years back, could be a Battery problem or a desperate need to format the device and to not install hoggy apps. Weak Battery can be a reason as of why a phone slowes down, battery plus 100 installed apps that boot with the system and hog the RAM are actually a big culpit as of why low level androids seem to age faster then Flagships. Flagships manage to sustain a greater speed even with a patato battery because of faster cpu and other hardware components, that would not be the case with low end to very low end smartphones if the battey goes patato mode and does not deliver enough current to keep hardware at it's needs, and with that, as stable as possible. But there can be cause of lot of other more reasons, but talking about them in such plain style, would not do them justice. Software can definetly be one of them, but not in the way you're thinking. Yeah a 20 years old device will never run android smoothly, stating the obvious, but a 5 years old device should not have any problems with it. So, what i am saying here is that android does not age that fast and the core is not worked on to make those heavy changes so that every new version of android needs bigger, better, faster....hardware, if that would be the case, android devices should need 16GB RAM and 12 CPU cores by now. And this would be true for low end devices, flagships would need a lot more. Maybe you're confusing intentional slowdowns, samsung-apple, caugh caugh, with reallity, but nope, android is a hog but not that much of a hogger as you seem to think.
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- 13 Nov 2022
Carol, 12 Nov 2022I do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth a... moreYeah
The Nokia 9 pureview should be I didn't say it's not
The ram standard applys more too new smartphones on Android 12 with minimum system requirements of 6gb of ram
Modern apps & browsers are only targeted at the most powerful smartphones on the market unfortunately
OS UI & features all on Android 12 are also buggy we think android 12 is worsed ever released android version that shouldn't of left beta testing
Nokia 10 with only 3gb ram & 32gb storage has nothing going for it android 12 runs so badly on it
All the odds really stacked against it
It's a refurbished model with replacement screen & battery and the hardware could be really weared out from usage for all we know
If only we could get it back too android 11 it will fix this problem with sluggish performance and crashes
The Nokia g10 just is not stable either as it just keeps crashing should we try contacting Nokia support? Or something
My mum only cares about performance as it will make or break a smartphone for her too her
it's everything it is the phone
That's the one thing the Nokia g10 is just not good at
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- 12 Nov 2022
Carol, 12 Nov 2022Not an old linux version, was/is an OS written in C++ and G... moreYeah it's unfortunate there is not many os opinions anymore
Android OS is flexible it's like a mobile workstation desktop OS & gaming machine OS really powerful os with many app stores and good app compatibility
Android really is like full desktop OS too get work done on
There's a lot of favours Android versions out there
All kinda with there own feature sets and stuff
but android is even heavyer still now and Android is already heavy and unoptimised so custom version of Android have big drawbacks of lag and sluggishness
but even stock android flawed and faultly and eats system resources and Google not fixed there's problems and is focused on stuff like voice assistant and not ever fixing the issue with optimisation
A lot of different OS did exist with great protential too become really good if only they got the app support and hardware production in the mainstream
Unfortunately iOS really is a lemon and is aimed at a different market too android completely
and is limited too many restrictions apple puts in place and iPhone premium pricing on what is just a over gloryfied social media device and camera phone with many restrictions
With there's kinda problems with iOS is no threat too android at all no competition or pressure
As Android is a very stand alone OS on mobile and Google not making any improvements or need too lack of reasonable alternatives
Yeah we are doomed
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- Sin
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- 12 Nov 2022
Carol, 12 Nov 2022I do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth a... moreYeah
Nokia 9 pureview is smooth as you don't fill the smartphone with too many apps
The Nokia 9 pureview does also have the advantage of running Android 10 that is a lighter
then a android 12 in terms of performance
The problem lays when you need a lot of apps installed as not everyone just runs a smartphone with bare minimum amount of apps
Some people do need a lot of different apps installed
This a uniquely android problem with ram management system as this problem is at it's worsed on Android as apps can't sit in cold storage
Yeah bigger storage definitely helps and leaving a little bit of storage free for swop space
64gb or 128gb a good minimum target
As most people are not tech savvy and can't manage ram usage or want too considently trying optimise stuff too make there phone run a little bit smoother
well they can't make the most of it the ram amount they have
With android 12 os minimum at 6gb ram again 8gb ram just solid advice for buying new smartphones today
It's hard too tell people they have storage but can't use it for apps people do expect they storage too be available for usage for android apps
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- 12 Nov 2022
Carol, 12 Nov 2022True, i have owned flagships since i use smartphones, almos... moreYeah the Nokia 3.1 I like it's sluggish but given it only cost me 50 pound it's very forgiveable at this price point
A big problems I have is am income and budget restrained so as much as I like too just buy a flagship I can't I just don't have the money
So Nokia 3.1 it is that has too multi task run heavy games like mobile legends & polywar and do other kinds of heavy lifting it's really not cut out for
The browser also could be a lot smoothly if only the specs where better
The 2gb ram / 16 storage a real struggle I also like using dual screen mode and screen overlays more tasks that are more domanding then just simple browsing
It's aging really fast considering the work-load but it's barely holding on its going too need too last till next year till I can buy a more powerful smartphone takes over the heavy tasks
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- 12 Nov 2022
Carol, 12 Nov 2022Hmm, i do not find google to be blamed to much about androi... moreYeah
Manufacturers not updating a too newer versions of Android is a problem
The excuse razer made is not water tight given the specs it has
I do take razer word as genuine as razer as been consident with there opinions even though razer thinks Snapdragon 845 8gb ram is a
potato phone
A lot of there customers did end up installing custom android ROMs on the razer phone too get around this problem
It's sad razer not in the phone business anymore
Android 9 definitely is not the end of the would either
For reference most android emulators run Android 7 OS like Andy OS for example no problems at all with app compatibility
Yeah Chinese brands still have android 4 installed on smartphones and tablets this is bad for every one other then perhaps people who want legacy apps working for some reason or another
on the other side old hardware and new software just don't mix well updates have always lead too slow down of smartphones
Some devices can never be updated
Like my yotaphone 2
Another company that want down the drain this one really hurt as I was a huge fan of there smartphones
The yotaphone 2 had dual screens and want from Android 4 updated too android 6
It's so good it got them updates as android version updates from 4 too 6 is a full would of difference between them in terms of app compatibility
As the company is rip sadly
Yotaphone 2 gets no longer software support
It's still the best smartphone I own today as it find the best solution too performance & battery life but being 32bit is a problem
Even if I could update the yotaphone 2 more I probably wouldn't as even so it's got 2gb ram & Snapdragon 800
technology it's more powerful than my Nokia 3.1 the compatibility difficulties with the back screen make it a no go
Plus it's really sluggish and overheats easily and the hardware really weared out from year's of usage and a battery charge on top
There is also no custom ROM out there
for yotaphone 2 either
So I do wish Google would keep supporting old android versions as not all devices can be updated
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- 12 Nov 2022
Sin, 12 Nov 2022Am not familiar with symbian os It's a old version o... moreNot an old linux version, was/is an OS written in C++ and GPL. The OS was so good optimized i could play Asphalt on my Nokia N8 connected via mini hdmi cable to a 720p TV without to manny lags, and with 512MB RAM. While Multitasking 15 Apps that were actually working in Background and not put to sleep like in Android or IOS. There is no match with the performance devices this day deliver, but to what cost do they deliver that performance?
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- 12 Nov 2022
Sin, 11 Nov 2022People definitely should look for display modals of smartph... moreI do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth as a butter even after 3 and half years of usage. But well, it does matter if you know what you're doing when working with a smartphone, or if you are blind installing any crappy app you can find, that hog the device. What you install is very important, some apps can cause even a flagship to go hey lo, crazy lagging, crashing and fealling like a 3 euros device. So the user is definetly one of the reasons why a phone works, and why a phone does not work. Another important point would be the phone storage. I would not recomand any device with storage below 64 GB RAM. That is the bare minimum for android. Believe it or not, the storage holds a huge chunk of responsabily for performance, especially in hog OS's like Android, more so then RAM. Buy a device with 64 GB storage and 2 gb ram, then buy the same with 32 gb storage and you'll notice very fast what i am talking about. Hack, buy 3g GB storage phone with a 3GB RAM, and you'll notice the performance differences. So, when buying a low budget phone, i would first look at the storage and screen, maximum 720p. Then at the rest, cause well, budget won't pack the SD 888 for sure. As i've said, you got to know what you are buying and why.
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- 12 Nov 2022
Sin, 10 Nov 2022Morse law is a problem for old hardware with trying too run... moreTrue, i have owned flagships since i use smartphones, almost 20 years now. But using x30 does not feel any worse, and thats a lot comming from a guy like me. Of course there are tasks that are sometimes done a tad bit slower than on a flagship, but is nothing i would call a deal breaker, not even close, especially with that great Battery life i can squese out of it, and also the very fine camera it holds. For the moment am very happy with the device. Well besides the here and there bugs that should be crushed with comming updates. Well, should tough be taken in consideration that i do not play games on phones, besides the typical cards or bricks, or whatever game that i only play when there is really nothing better to do. I saw it tough playing this "ganjing" whatever game, without to much struggle, putting the geme at lower settings would make it smooth. But anyway, when i buy something, i know it's limitations, or better said, pros and cons, i never buy a 170 euros device and expect it to run like a 1300 euro device, some people seem to forget how much they pay and for what.
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- 12 Nov 2022
Sin, 10 Nov 2022Yeah
You would think so
Android 10 on that tier of ha... moreHmm, i do not find google to be blamed to much about android updates or OS version support, that remains mostly at the hands of the manufacturers, if manufactures do not want to update, it won't be updated. And of course, a big part is in the hands of qualcome if we talk OS updates and not just security or improvement updates. Not a long time ago, chinese brands would have still install android 4 or so on their devices, i do not know if they still do it, but i know that google does not certify them anymore, but that's about it.
And about the Razer again, no matter what you think, they could have updated the device without a problem, the OS is to "heavy" is a very lame excuse for the mass. As far as i know they also stopped building phones all together, so they most probably did not want to invest anymore time and money in supporting the not that successfull phones, they saw no worth into doing that and also got out of the smartphon market sooner the expected.