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Sin, 13 Nov 2022Yeah The Nokia 9 pureview should be I didn't say it&#... moreIf you updated to android 12 but did not do a formatting, please do format the device and let it sit after enetring your account and so on, for about an hour or so, do not install anything else. Do not recover from backups. it should be better after that. Do not allow apps that you install to run in the background, restrict them if they are not needed to constantly run. Android 12 has a powerfull, but be carefull, battery management system that kills a lot of background tasks, be carefull not to have that on. Called App Background manager, and is found in battery settings. Also in battery settings, in the battery saver menu, there are some custome actions that happen when device enters power saving mode when 20% battery left. Deactivate all of them because they do not run as they should. They will change screen brightness to manually, but sometimes fail to turn it back on to auto when Battery saving mode is deactivated. They also change screen on time to minimum of 15 seconds, and do not set it back to 1 minute or whatever was set before entering saving mode. Also deactivate allow bubbes in notification settings, it is known to cause problems, with keyboard especially. Deactivate notifications for apps that you do not need to receive notifications from. If you do not need it, deactivate google assistent, a hogger, after that install a light launcher because search won't work anymore at the desktop, and you won't be able to disable that ugly searchbar, the "perks" of hmd's android version. I'd recommand niagara launcher. What you can also do is to activate developer mode and very carefully not to activate something you should not activate, search for animations scale, there are 3. And set them all to .5x, your device will seem way faster then before. Window animation scale, transaction animation scale and animator duration scale. If you set it too low, will cause you're UI to be a bit unfriendly when we talk user experience. As i've said, android 12 has some annoying bugs that i can't pin point if it's hmd to blame or Google, but one can work around some of them, if that person knows what is doing. Of course not all problems are to be solved by workarounds, bug fixes from the manufacturer are also needed.

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Sin, 12 Nov 2022Yeah the Nokia 3.1 I like it's sluggish but given it o... moreSorry but 16GB internal storage phone is made for bare minimum usage, no aditional apps, besides maybe some social crapp media, and that's about it. Even a flagship hardware would have hard times with that low storage, android and apps have no place to expend cache causing crashes and memory full warnings at daily basis. Maybe Nokias not that much, because of lighter OS implementations, but any other manufacturer, for sure.

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Sin, 12 Nov 2022Yeah Manufacturers not updating a too newer versions of An... moreFunny way of thinking, so Razer thought the hardware was a patato for android 10, but they did not think that when they made and sold the device not long before the 10 came out? And you find that genuine? You keep going same, same that android is heavier with every version and causes havoc left and right, even tough i tell you facts? That's also kind of strange. X30's CPU has lesser power then SD845 and runs android 12 with no problem with 6GB RAM, why would Nokia 9 not be able to run smooth, what is your theory? Because android 12 is heavier? But i just said that x30 is weaker and runs it quite smooth... I mean, would be nice to have a discution with someone that does not ignore the facts only to highlight his false interpretetion and lack of understanding of hardware and software and how they coexist with one another. Sorry if i come accros a bit harsh on you, but the "Minu" guy/girl also tried to higlight the facts, but you still keep on going with the same thing.
Why your device got more slagish then, i do not know how many years back, could be a Battery problem or a desperate need to format the device and to not install hoggy apps. Weak Battery can be a reason as of why a phone slowes down, battery plus 100 installed apps that boot with the system and hog the RAM are actually a big culpit as of why low level androids seem to age faster then Flagships. Flagships manage to sustain a greater speed even with a patato battery because of faster cpu and other hardware components, that would not be the case with low end to very low end smartphones if the battey goes patato mode and does not deliver enough current to keep hardware at it's needs, and with that, as stable as possible. But there can be cause of lot of other more reasons, but talking about them in such plain style, would not do them justice. Software can definetly be one of them, but not in the way you're thinking. Yeah a 20 years old device will never run android smoothly, stating the obvious, but a 5 years old device should not have any problems with it. So, what i am saying here is that android does not age that fast and the core is not worked on to make those heavy changes so that every new version of android needs bigger, better, faster....hardware, if that would be the case, android devices should need 16GB RAM and 12 CPU cores by now. And this would be true for low end devices, flagships would need a lot more. Maybe you're confusing intentional slowdowns, samsung-apple, caugh caugh, with reallity, but nope, android is a hog but not that much of a hogger as you seem to think.

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Carol, 12 Nov 2022I do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth a... moreYeah
The Nokia 9 pureview should be I didn't say it's not

The ram standard applys more too new smartphones on Android 12 with minimum system requirements of 6gb of ram

Modern apps & browsers are only targeted at the most powerful smartphones on the market unfortunately

OS UI & features all on Android 12 are also buggy we think android 12 is worsed ever released android version that shouldn't of left beta testing

Nokia 10 with only 3gb ram & 32gb storage has nothing going for it android 12 runs so badly on it

All the odds really stacked against it
It's a refurbished model with replacement screen & battery and the hardware could be really weared out from usage for all we know

If only we could get it back too android 11 it will fix this problem with sluggish performance and crashes

The Nokia g10 just is not stable either as it just keeps crashing should we try contacting Nokia support? Or something

My mum only cares about performance as it will make or break a smartphone for her too her
it's everything it is the phone

That's the one thing the Nokia g10 is just not good at

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• 12 Nov 2022

Carol, 12 Nov 2022Not an old linux version, was/is an OS written in C++ and G... moreYeah it's unfortunate there is not many os opinions anymore

Android OS is flexible it's like a mobile workstation desktop OS & gaming machine OS really powerful os with many app stores and good app compatibility

Android really is like full desktop OS too get work done on

There's a lot of favours Android versions out there
All kinda with there own feature sets and stuff

but android is even heavyer still now and Android is already heavy and unoptimised so custom version of Android have big drawbacks of lag and sluggishness

but even stock android flawed and faultly and eats system resources and Google not fixed there's problems and is focused on stuff like voice assistant and not ever fixing the issue with optimisation

A lot of different OS did exist with great protential too become really good if only they got the app support and hardware production in the mainstream

Unfortunately iOS really is a lemon and is aimed at a different market too android completely
and is limited too many restrictions apple puts in place and iPhone premium pricing on what is just a over gloryfied social media device and camera phone with many restrictions

With there's kinda problems with iOS is no threat too android at all no competition or pressure

As Android is a very stand alone OS on mobile and Google not making any improvements or need too lack of reasonable alternatives

Yeah we are doomed

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Carol, 12 Nov 2022I do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth a... moreYeah
Nokia 9 pureview is smooth as you don't fill the smartphone with too many apps

The Nokia 9 pureview does also have the advantage of running Android 10 that is a lighter
then a android 12 in terms of performance

The problem lays when you need a lot of apps installed as not everyone just runs a smartphone with bare minimum amount of apps

Some people do need a lot of different apps installed

This a uniquely android problem with ram management system as this problem is at it's worsed on Android as apps can't sit in cold storage

Yeah bigger storage definitely helps and leaving a little bit of storage free for swop space
64gb or 128gb a good minimum target

As most people are not tech savvy and can't manage ram usage or want too considently trying optimise stuff too make there phone run a little bit smoother
well they can't make the most of it the ram amount they have

With android 12 os minimum at 6gb ram again 8gb ram just solid advice for buying new smartphones today

It's hard too tell people they have storage but can't use it for apps people do expect they storage too be available for usage for android apps

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Carol, 12 Nov 2022True, i have owned flagships since i use smartphones, almos... moreYeah the Nokia 3.1 I like it's sluggish but given it only cost me 50 pound it's very forgiveable at this price point

A big problems I have is am income and budget restrained so as much as I like too just buy a flagship I can't I just don't have the money

So Nokia 3.1 it is that has too multi task run heavy games like mobile legends & polywar and do other kinds of heavy lifting it's really not cut out for

The browser also could be a lot smoothly if only the specs where better

The 2gb ram / 16 storage a real struggle I also like using dual screen mode and screen overlays more tasks that are more domanding then just simple browsing

It's aging really fast considering the work-load but it's barely holding on its going too need too last till next year till I can buy a more powerful smartphone takes over the heavy tasks

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Carol, 12 Nov 2022Hmm, i do not find google to be blamed to much about androi... moreYeah
Manufacturers not updating a too newer versions of Android is a problem

The excuse razer made is not water tight given the specs it has

I do take razer word as genuine as razer as been consident with there opinions even though razer thinks Snapdragon 845 8gb ram is a
potato phone

A lot of there customers did end up installing custom android ROMs on the razer phone too get around this problem

It's sad razer not in the phone business anymore
Android 9 definitely is not the end of the would either

For reference most android emulators run Android 7 OS like Andy OS for example no problems at all with app compatibility

Yeah Chinese brands still have android 4 installed on smartphones and tablets this is bad for every one other then perhaps people who want legacy apps working for some reason or another

on the other side old hardware and new software just don't mix well updates have always lead too slow down of smartphones

Some devices can never be updated
Like my yotaphone 2

Another company that want down the drain this one really hurt as I was a huge fan of there smartphones

The yotaphone 2 had dual screens and want from Android 4 updated too android 6

It's so good it got them updates as android version updates from 4 too 6 is a full would of difference between them in terms of app compatibility

As the company is rip sadly
Yotaphone 2 gets no longer software support
It's still the best smartphone I own today as it find the best solution too performance & battery life but being 32bit is a problem

Even if I could update the yotaphone 2 more I probably wouldn't as even so it's got 2gb ram & Snapdragon 800

technology it's more powerful than my Nokia 3.1 the compatibility difficulties with the back screen make it a no go
Plus it's really sluggish and overheats easily and the hardware really weared out from year's of usage and a battery charge on top

There is also no custom ROM out there
for yotaphone 2 either

So I do wish Google would keep supporting old android versions as not all devices can be updated

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Sin, 12 Nov 2022Am not familiar with symbian os It's a old version o... moreNot an old linux version, was/is an OS written in C++ and GPL. The OS was so good optimized i could play Asphalt on my Nokia N8 connected via mini hdmi cable to a 720p TV without to manny lags, and with 512MB RAM. While Multitasking 15 Apps that were actually working in Background and not put to sleep like in Android or IOS. There is no match with the performance devices this day deliver, but to what cost do they deliver that performance?

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Sin, 11 Nov 2022People definitely should look for display modals of smartph... moreI do not agree on that, nokia 9 has 6GB RAM and is smooth as a butter even after 3 and half years of usage. But well, it does matter if you know what you're doing when working with a smartphone, or if you are blind installing any crappy app you can find, that hog the device. What you install is very important, some apps can cause even a flagship to go hey lo, crazy lagging, crashing and fealling like a 3 euros device. So the user is definetly one of the reasons why a phone works, and why a phone does not work. Another important point would be the phone storage. I would not recomand any device with storage below 64 GB RAM. That is the bare minimum for android. Believe it or not, the storage holds a huge chunk of responsabily for performance, especially in hog OS's like Android, more so then RAM. Buy a device with 64 GB storage and 2 gb ram, then buy the same with 32 gb storage and you'll notice very fast what i am talking about. Hack, buy 3g GB storage phone with a 3GB RAM, and you'll notice the performance differences. So, when buying a low budget phone, i would first look at the storage and screen, maximum 720p. Then at the rest, cause well, budget won't pack the SD 888 for sure. As i've said, you got to know what you are buying and why.

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Sin, 10 Nov 2022Morse law is a problem for old hardware with trying too run... moreTrue, i have owned flagships since i use smartphones, almost 20 years now. But using x30 does not feel any worse, and thats a lot comming from a guy like me. Of course there are tasks that are sometimes done a tad bit slower than on a flagship, but is nothing i would call a deal breaker, not even close, especially with that great Battery life i can squese out of it, and also the very fine camera it holds. For the moment am very happy with the device. Well besides the here and there bugs that should be crushed with comming updates. Well, should tough be taken in consideration that i do not play games on phones, besides the typical cards or bricks, or whatever game that i only play when there is really nothing better to do. I saw it tough playing this "ganjing" whatever game, without to much struggle, putting the geme at lower settings would make it smooth. But anyway, when i buy something, i know it's limitations, or better said, pros and cons, i never buy a 170 euros device and expect it to run like a 1300 euro device, some people seem to forget how much they pay and for what.

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Sin, 10 Nov 2022Yeah You would think so Android 10 on that tier of ha... moreHmm, i do not find google to be blamed to much about android updates or OS version support, that remains mostly at the hands of the manufacturers, if manufactures do not want to update, it won't be updated. And of course, a big part is in the hands of qualcome if we talk OS updates and not just security or improvement updates. Not a long time ago, chinese brands would have still install android 4 or so on their devices, i do not know if they still do it, but i know that google does not certify them anymore, but that's about it.
And about the Razer again, no matter what you think, they could have updated the device without a problem, the OS is to "heavy" is a very lame excuse for the mass. As far as i know they also stopped building phones all together, so they most probably did not want to invest anymore time and money in supporting the not that successfull phones, they saw no worth into doing that and also got out of the smartphon market sooner the expected.

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Carol, 11 Nov 2022Yeah, android is not a good OS overall, symbian was 3900000... moreAm not familiar with symbian os
It's a old version of Linux I think on old Nokia phones
It must be much better optimised then android

Yeah android
got a lot of problems with optimization
And ram management also android is a heavy is in general

Even the most powerful smartphones can be brought too there knees if you install enough android apps on them in just storage alone

It's a very uniquely android problem as apps can't sit in cold storage they just can't help but sip away at system resources

All i have ever know is android on mobile
Android does have strengths it's nearly a full functional desktop os with great app compatibly

But running smoothly on low end hardware is not one of them strengths I don't have high hopes for Google making any improvements with later versions of android most likely they just add spyware or lock down features

Android 12 feels rushed and like we are beta testing it the Nokia g10 shouldn't be running this badly with it's level hardware

The only other OS I have experience with is windows on desktop then there's Microsoft

wow Microsoft managed too make a OS even heavyer then android and the storage space needed for a boot drive is insanity and ram usage of window os especially the later versions with godlike system requirements just too run the os alone without considerable lagging and slow down is Madness's

It's really unfortunate as app developers and big companys are only targeting the latest and greatest flagship device's & smartphones with the best hardware available

So low end smartphones just suffering trying too cope with running the android os smoothly and mainstream apps and not every one can afford a better smartphone

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Sin, 11 Nov 2022That's good Definitely worth giving a update on perfo... moreYeah, android is not a good OS overall, symbian was 39000000 times better optimised, but well, it does not exist, or not in the mainstream, anymore. The problem with android is that google never actually optimised it for working, but only for implementing their crappy AI, assisetent and whatever other "legal" privacy infrigment "features", but not for actually working with low end drvices, i've heard android 13, would change the game, i doubt, but well, who knows.

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Carol, 11 Nov 2022Seen no real performance issues with x30, and it is a midra... moreThat's good
Definitely worth giving a update on performance in a year or two on the Nokia x30

I did try Android 11 go edition Nokia c01 plus is a Androidgo smartphone

but it turned out how not too make a OS and smartphone instead of optimization making it work better the 1gb ram amount optimization just can't save it from it's performance problems

The Nokia 3.1 with 2gb ram I have even although it's running the full version of Android and has no storage space thanks too updates
It runs AndroidOne

The Nokia 3.1 does run a lot better sluggish yes but it's at least usable

all Nokia had too do was made the Nokia c01 plus a 2gb ram and it would of been fine

There a lot of bad corner cutting too make Androidgo edition light also and it's the worst Android version I ever used having some problems with pages never fully loading for reading stuff online and killing off apps force closed browser when am watching a video

Old Android version with 1gb ram still run terrible as ever but don't have software problems like Androidgo

Yeah the os matter the ram amount does a lot also

I wish more information was available on storage with smartphones as it's a hidden variable that plays a big role in performance

Am sure everyone knows the difference between a harddrive boot drive Vs a SSD for the os running smoothly

I hope SSD storage comes a thing on mainstream smartphones soon

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sin, 11 Nov 2022I just looked up official system requirements for android 1... moreSeen no real performance issues with x30, and it is a midrager, i doubt that flagships have problems with android 12. Also UFS 3 delivers up to 11,2 Gbps ( means 1375MB/s) read write speeds on one lane, can go way higher on two. Of course that this does not mean that the storage installed can also deliver those crazy speeds, but well, the BUS (or whatever the connection is called this days in smartphones) is for sure not the bottleneck here. So i would not worry to much about performance, Especially based on ram or storage. The problem will always be the OS itself, if good optimised or not really. Low end and very low end smartphones, might suffer because of RAM, but there commes android 13 go edition, so all good.

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I just looked up official system requirements for android 12 the future looks grim

Google Android 12 hardware level requirements include 6GB RAM

There was minimum storage
speeds as well
At least 120MB/s sequential write, 250MB/s sequential read, 10MB/s random write, and 40MB/s random read speed

But no smartphone manufacturer adds storage read & write specs too there spec sheet

A lot of smartphones going really suffer this a very tall order too meet

I think Google has gone completely crazy they some serious hardcore specs too need too meet system requirements just for android 12

I have seen complaints across the board from different brands with performance problems on smartphones running android 12

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Minu, 11 Nov 2022I have no reason to mislead anybody. The reason why I said ... morePeople definitely should look for display modals of smartphones in shops too see how good they are for themselves

As it's best too see different smartphones for yourself in person and see in person with first hand experience

Am kinda the tech support in my house as well as my mum have had used enough difference smartphones too be able too estimate performance

8 ram and above is smooth
4 & 6 GB ram is moderate performance
2 or 3 GB ram is sluggish
1gb ram don't even work properly

A better processor we help with performance as single tasks and reloading something will be quicker

Android versions will also play a role the later versions of Android are a lot heavyer and run worse on same hardware

Stock Android runs smoother than blootware filled Android on same hardware

I can't guarantee a smartphone under 8gb of ram will be smooth

All of us have agreed under 8gb ram is not smooth

Mainstream apps & browser's and new Android versions are getting heavyer ever year

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Minu, 11 Nov 2022Performance is generally decent on low end Nokia phones. Mo... moreThe budget Nokia smartphones are good because they are very cheap and lots of people can't afford better phones
I strongly recommend 2gb ram bare minimum
I feel very bad suggesting 1gb ram smartphones any longer

I have the Nokia 3.1 & Nokia c01 plus 50 pound budget priced each new

I was impressed by the Nokia 3.1 given the price point
It seemed ok at first for a month
but then
consistent freezing happens sometimes it can behave it's self sometimes but it sure is sluggish just lags no matter what you're doing on it

The Nokia c01 plus on the other hand is a disgrace am disgusted by how badly it runs the browser keeps closing it's self pages keep reloading even web pages that do manage too load don't always fully load everything on the page
I feel like I got ripped off buying it

The Nokia c01 plus was so bad in performance I switched back too using the Nokia 3.1 because at least it works

The Nokia g10
Got for my mum but my mum needs replacement as
The Nokia g10 is obsolete main reason we buy new phones is always for better performance
phone a smartphone like the OnePlus 5 or 5t is ideal for her as they have 8gb ram

Nokia g10 always crashes freezing up black screen time out of 15secs no matter how many times we sit it too 5 minutes it goes back to 15sec after another crash
If only we could get it back too Android 11 it might run better

Nokia phones like the Nokia 5.1 that is the improved version of my Nokia 3.1
And avoiding base model we be less sluggish

I do also have the yotaphone 2 this was a flagship of 2014 Snapdragon 800 & 2gb ram but even it has aged so badly in terms of performance

Often performance problems come more notice able after a half year of using a smartphone

People who multi task and are inpatient performance will make or break a smartphone for them

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Sin, 10 Nov 2022Morse law is a problem for old hardware with trying too run... morePerformance is generally decent on low end Nokia phones. Most of my lecturers and teachers use Nokia phones such as the 3 (with low end mediatek processors), 5, 6, 3.1, 4.2, 2.3 (with that barebones Helio A22), 1.4 (with a SD215) etc and I've never seen anybody complain about consistent freezing (except in certain heavy apps like Google chrome) or having reliability issues (except in 1GB RAM models, that's why I don't recommend buying any phone with 1GB RAM). At least they do the job well, even if they aren't for heavy gaming.

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