Google Pixel 6 Pro review
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- 07 Nov 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Nov 2021To be honest, those shots look pretty mediocre, as complete... moreI have the Pixel 6 Pro, "super resolution" zoom is basically nothing else than digital zoom + artificial machine learning details (which make the result worse), no matter what Google is saying. The "super resolution" HDR+ raw files have a resolution of approximately 3 megapixels at 8x. And there is really no advantage. I'd rather call it anti-resolution zoom. It ignores the full resolution mode of the sensor and it will still apply a very aggressive noise reduction, when you zoom digitally. I compared the periscope digital zoom with a traditional camera that achieves the same number of pixels per angle and also captures the same amount of light per angle: The traditional camera actually did better because it didn't apply aggressive noise reduction. I also have the impression that in certain light conditions, Google doesn't combine frames anymore, if you don't use Night Sight. It's a disadvantage that they don't offer HDR+ enhanced anymore, which is a fast Night Sight mode.
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- 06 Nov 2021
You also can buy from vodafone.de 899€ ...why buy from Amazon? :)
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- 06 Nov 2021
Got my Pixel 6 Pro a week ago and I love it. Cameras, design and display are great. AI features like Material you, security, fast speech recognition, translation and Magic eraser are so cool. The only thing that could be better is a battery life, bit still it lasts for 8 hours in case of intensive use. Used to own Apple, Sony and Samsung flagships in the past but I think Pixel 6 Pro is the best
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021"The raws on Android phones nearly always look worse t... more"In the HDR+ raw file there are colorful spots that contain nothing(!) else than colorful noise"
Mind showing us an example (Original RAW files, a screenshot of a crop etc)?
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/qh6kov/pixel_... moreTo be honest, those shots look pretty mediocre, as completely expected from a crop from the main sensor.
There is absolutely NO WAY those shots have been taken by a telephoto camera. The minimum focusing distance of its lens simply won't let you use it for any sort of macro photography, and any camera apps made by a sane group of people will automatically switch to the main camera when it detects that you're trying to lock focus on a close object that the telephoto camera cannot handle.
4x crop from the image from Pixel 6's main camera only has a resolution of 12.5/16 = 0.78MP. Even when taking its super res algorithms which theoretically doubles the resolution, it will be still well under FHD. I don't consider such a photo to be usable, frankly speaking.
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021No. Raw is always better.
No excess of sharpening or n... moreI'll bait.
First of all, Samsung's WB is actually fairly accurate in most cases (high saturation in the blue channel is still a problem), OnePlus/Oppo no longer give "waxy" details and Pixel 6 doesn't underexpose either. Your criticisms of these phone cameras are getting outdated.
RAW images coming out of Huawei phones with RYYB sensors are still very hard to handle due to strong chroma noise and bizarre hue shifts in shadows and highlights. I never considered them to be even remotely useful. Those from their older phones (and presumably P50 Pro) are much easier to work with since they use regular RGB sensors.
The quality of HDR+ RAW files from Pixel and GCam ports ranges from great to phenomenal. The best of them I've seen so far are 48MP shots from Mi 10 Ultra, after downscaling its per-pixel quality gets pretty damn close to RAWs from Ricoh GR III, which is an impressive feat for a phone camera.
iPhone's ProRAW is great for casual editing, not so much for pixel peeping. The images contain impressively wide dynamic range but as you say the textures are processed heavily to the point where they don't even look "raw". Apple should provide an option to turn the built-in processing completely.
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- 06 Nov 2021
According to the poll, 81% of the average consumer loves these phone including me ... Wow thats a great start for Pixel 6 series... 😁
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- Anonymous
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021Not necessarily. The raws on Android phones nearly always l... moreNo. Raw is always better.
No excess of sharpening or noise reduction.
No bizarre white balance (cough cough samsung).
No very underexposed subject (google).
No waxy scenario (motorola and oneplus /oppo)
The one with less difference is iphone, because it is not real raw, but very processed raw.
I have seen many raw files from many phones.
The worst was out of p40 pro. Probably because of RYYB hardware.
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021Not necessarily. The raws on Android phones nearly always l... more"The raws on Android phones nearly always look worse than the processed ones"
Raw files don't have a "look", it depends on the raw converter and one can very often get better results than the jpgs.
This issue is no conventional problem at all. It's definitely a software issue. In the HDR+ raw file there are colorful spots that contain nothing(!) else than colorful noise, even though the light conditions are perfect. The jpgs give you blurry spots instead. The spots don't really depend on the light conditions, they can be everywhere. I assume that these are stitching errors caused by the HDR bracketing.
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- Anonymous
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021No, you can't. I have a Pixel 6 Pro. The periscope cam... morehttps://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/qh6kov/pixel_6_pro_macro_photography_thread_found_on/?sort=top
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography
https://m.dpreview.com/articles/6519974919/macro-photography-understanding-magnification
And if you want to be pedantic then no phone can do true macro mode (on sensor image of subject ≥ actual subject). So, looking at the iPhone, it should be able to completely fill the sensor width with an object around 4.3mm, but given that its minimum subject distance is 20mm....
Maybe somebody can take a macro shot of a ruler at the closest focal range and see what is its actual magnification.
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021The fact that the raw files suffer from this issue, means t... moreNot necessarily. The raws on Android phones nearly always look worse than the processed ones (less pronounced on Xiaomi, OnePlus & other oems with less than stellar processing). Additionally, you're not taking into consideration all the metadata (largely sensor data like color estimation, motion vector "fields" , plus the consumed images themselves) associated with each "frame" that is simply not available through the user available raw.
However, according to that Google issue link this appears to be a problem with ALL of the back cameras. That suggests software or... that visor of glass that covers all the lenses. If it's later, and I think it likely, it can certainly be improved with updates but certainly not "fixed".
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021You can use the periscope lens for macro shots. No, you can't. I have a Pixel 6 Pro. The periscope camera has a high minimum focus distance and gives you a worse macro magnification than the main camera. The 6 Pro will very often choose 4x digital zoom instead of the periscope camera.
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- 06 Nov 2021
You can use the periscope lens for macro shots.
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- 06 Nov 2021
Gcam images aren't that sharp...
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- 06 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 06 Nov 2021I have a Pixel 6 Pro and a Nexus 5x and I have compared the... moreThe fact that the raw files suffer from this issue, means that this is a very severe issue.
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- 06 Nov 2021
Pixelpeeper, 05 Nov 2021Just comparing daylight photos with my 5 year old Nexus 5X.... moreI have a Pixel 6 Pro and a Nexus 5x and I have compared them.
The 6 Pro applies an extremely aggressive and patchy noise reduction to leaves, brick walls, etc despite perfect light conditions. The Nexus 5x doesn't have this issue, so certain areas of a Nexus 5x HDR+ On photo can look much, much sharper. I examined some Pixel 6 Pro HDR+ dng files and the dng files can suffer from this issue, too, but instead of blurry spots you will see colorful artifacts despite perfect light conditions. This makes the camera unusable in my opinion.
See support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/133610912/to-google-s-camera-engineers-pixel-6-suffers-from-aggressive-and-patchy-noise-reduction?hl=en
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- 06 Nov 2021
PixelPeter, 05 Nov 2021
gsmarena writes: Despite there being a 50MP camera sensor... moreI have bought a Pixel 6 Pro. 3rd party apps can't choose the 50/48 megapixel modes. 3rd party apps can't save periscope dng files either.
Google doesn't use the high resolution modes. An 8x HDR+ raw file only has approximately 3 megapixels. And the camera will often choose digital zoom instead of the periscope camera, even though the results are nearly always worse. It will choose the periscope camera, if you choose 8x.
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- 06 Nov 2021
night mode looks like shit! Too much AI applied made it worst
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- 05 Nov 2021
When are they all going to stop copying Samsung's rounded edges? It's useless, looks ugly when using a back cover, even Samsung are moving away from it. Could be a nice way for Google - or anybody - to get a distinctive phone.